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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I think there is a difference between a one time, or a few times incidents and a constant pattern of bullying and abuse that lasted over quite a long time. I would agree with you if this were somewhat isolated or incidental, but it seems to be neither.
    I'm gonna have to disagree here. Bullying typically takes a pattern and it doesn't just start and stop randomly. Here's an update from Slate and I find it interesting what some of the students that weren't involved had to say:

    "A lot of it was normal girl drama," one girl told me. "If you want to label it bullying, then I've bullied girls and girls have bullied me. Her history made it affect her more. It wasn't the school being terrible. It was really bad, it was one of the worst things I've heard of some girls doing to another girl. But it wouldn't have hurt most people that much."
    Exactly what I have been saying. It was bad, but it wasn't anything unique. I still think that Phoebe Prince's reaction was what was out of the ordinary here and if it weren't for her dramatic answer to a normal problem every kid goes through, then these other kids wouldn't be having their permanent records and lives damaged...all to make a community feel better about the selfish act of a disturbed young lady.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Just about every boy is rough housed by his peers at one time or another. It’s a typical behavior that’s a part of growing up and rarely results in anything more dangerous than a few scrapes and bruises. It really doesn’t hurt most people all that much.

    But what do you do when a kid with glass bones is rough housed and is killed when his skull shatters? Blame him for being extraordinarily vulnerable and let the bullies off with the slap on the wrist they’d receive for rough housing a regular kid?

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla
    She was a captive audience to the violence and intimidation, she had to be there.
    What? I don't know how this relates to my post you quoted. Who is "she"?

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    I agree. Suicide just shirks your pain off onto the people that care about you; the only ethical thing to do is to keep the pain to yourself and endure it in silence. Just think of all the suffering this girl could have spared her family, if only she had learned to endure more pain. Pity she turned to suicide instead of drugs.
    She chose to let it get to her. Her emotional pain was self-inflicted. Her responsibility, her fault.

    But what do you do when a kid with glass bones is rough housed and is killed when his skull shatters? Blame him for being extraordinarily vulnerable and let the bullies off with the slap on the wrist they’d receive for rough housing a regular kid?
    Stupid comparison. One cannot help if they are "glass boned". One can, however, choose if they want to be emotionally affected.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    What? I don't know how this relates to my post you quoted. Who is "she"?
    She had to be there, her mental stability which was in question was no concern of the school.

    They are just as responsible for her suicide as they did not stop the abuse.
    She is the girl who killed herself.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    She had to be there, her mental stability which was in question was no concern of the school.

    They are just as responsible for her suicide as they did not stop the abuse.
    She is the girl who killed herself.
    I know that she had to be there and I know the abuse wasn't stopped, but that's not relevant to the fact that she is responsible for allowing her emotions to be damaged and ultimately for killing herself. It's her fault.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I know that she had to be there and I know the abuse wasn't stopped, but that's not relevant to the fact that she is responsible for allowing her emotions to be damaged and ultimately for killing herself. It's her fault.
    It's not just her fault.

    She is legally a child and she was in the care of school during her torment.
    Some people can not handle it as well as others.
    That is how some people are made, born, or developed.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    What? I don't know how this relates to my post you quoted. Who is "she"?



    She chose to let it get to her. Her emotional pain was self-inflicted. Her responsibility, her fault.



    Stupid comparison. One cannot help if they are "glass boned". One can, however, choose if they want to be emotionally affected.
    People with ****ed up biochemistry that makes their bones unable to produce the right balance of chemicals needed for normal structural integrity? They are poor bastards who deserve our sympathy.

    People with ****ed up biochemistry that makes their brains unable to produce the right balance of chemicals needed for normal structural integrity? They are weak mother****ers who need to quit being whining emos. People with depression, PTSD, schizophrenia and autism have absolutely no excuses for being so weak and they have nobody to blame but themselves for their emotional pain.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Befuddled_Stoner View Post
    People with ****ed up biochemistry that makes their bones unable to produce the right balance of chemicals needed for normal structural integrity? They are poor bastards who deserve our sympathy.

    People with ****ed up biochemistry that makes their brains unable to produce the right balance of chemicals needed for normal structural integrity? They are weak mother****ers who need to quit being whining emos. People with depression, PTSD, schizophrenia and autism have absolutely no excuses for being so weak and they have nobody to blame but themselves for their emotional pain.
    Generally, I find that people who call others "weak" and "whiners" have themselves severe emotional issues and are unable to understand or empathize with other humans. Their personal lives lack lasting relationships and their families are dysfunctional.

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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I'm gonna have to disagree here. Bullying typically takes a pattern and it doesn't just start and stop randomly. Here's an update from Slate and I find it interesting what some of the students that weren't involved had to say:
    I don't agree. From everything I've read, there was certainly a pattern to this bullying. This was not your typical name-calling, pushing into a locker kind of stuff. It went beyond that, and was quite a bit worse than average bullying that happens to most kids at one time or another.



    Exactly what I have been saying. It was bad, but it wasn't anything unique. I still think that Phoebe Prince's reaction was what was out of the ordinary here and if it weren't for her dramatic answer to a normal problem every kid goes through, then these other kids wouldn't be having their permanent records and lives damaged...all to make a community feel better about the selfish act of a disturbed young lady.
    Her reaction was extreme, but it was to an extreme situation. I disagree that this was "typical" bullying. Even if she hadn't committed suicide, what happened to her was pretty severe and I would not vary in my assessment of what the consequences should be. I don't know if criminal charges should be brought against the kids, with the exception of the rape and the assault. However, I do agree with removing them from the school. They have demonstrated that their behavior is extremely disruptive to the ability of another student to function academically in school and infringing on their ability to get an education. For that, they should be removed.
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    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Stupid comparison. One cannot help if they are "glass boned". One can, however, choose if they want to be emotionally affected.
    One cannot help if they are clinically depressed, either. I don't know if this girl was, but the analogy applies to emotional issues, too.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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