Page 11 of 29 FirstFirst ... 91011121321 ... LastLast
Results 101 to 110 of 282

Thread: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

  1. #101
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Last Seen
    02-16-11 @ 08:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    36,915
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I already defended my position adequately, IMO. You seem to be the lone hold out here, so I guess the jury is hung...
    My position doesn't appeal to popularity. Of course it's more emotionally acceptable to show sympathy for the little girl who hung herself in the closet. Justice, however, doesn't predicate itself on what is emotionally acceptable.

  2. #102
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Last Seen
    11-23-11 @ 10:06 PM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    3,827

    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    My position doesn't appeal to popularity. Of course it's more emotionally acceptable to show sympathy for the little girl who hung herself in the closet. Justice, however, doesn't predicate itself on what is emotionally acceptable.
    The jury has been dismissed, no point in continuing the debate...

    I'm sure the press will grant interviews to the lone holdout.

  3. #103
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Last Seen
    02-16-11 @ 08:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    36,915
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    The jury has been dismissed, no point in continuing the debate...

    I'm sure the press will grant interviews to the lone holdout.
    So argumentum ad populem it is then. Noted.

  4. #104
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    What are they being charged with? Harassment?

    This is stupid. Yeah what they did is probably illegal but she chose to let it get to her and made the decision to kill herself. It's her fault alone that she chose to kill herself and not theirs.

    (Not commenting on the statutory rape charge BTW since the article didn't say much about it.)
    She was a captive audience to the violence and intimidation, she had to be there.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  5. #105
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I, for one, am glad they are prosecuting these young people for their criminal behavior. The school that they all attended should have taken strong action against them long before it came to this.

    I think that young people should follow the same laws as adults. I think schools should not tolerate criminal activity on school grounds. I think the school officials should also, in some way, be called to task.

    FOXNews.com - Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself
    This is what happens when you put a crap load of kids into a mildly supervised environment.
    Most of the time it doesn't develop to this extreme.

    You also see this type of psychology in prisons.

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Wow, amazing. I happen to have a 15 yr old daughter. Whenever we watch a movie depicting nasty high school girls, she always informs me how unrealistic that is, that it never happens at her school.

    I thank God she attends a school where this sort of stuff doesn't occur.
    It probably does happen, thankfully not to her.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  6. #106
    Global Moderator
    I'm a Jedi Master, Yo

    CaptainCourtesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:04 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    152,725

    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No you can't...but I haven't heard anything beyond the rape that would justify prosecuting kids for being kids.

    I mean, who hasn't heard someone called a slut in high school or seen others get in to brief scraps in the hall. And everyone knows there was always that one kid who drew the taunts of everyone else and that kid usually grows up to be the most handsome and successful at 30.

    I am just saying...hanging herself in a closet...I doubt thats because she got called a slut and had a can thrown at her from a passing car. It just seems so sensationalized.
    I think there is a difference between a one time, or a few times incidents and a constant pattern of bullying and abuse that lasted over quite a long time. I would agree with you if this were somewhat isolated or incidental, but it seems to be neither.
    "Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run

    ====||:-D

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

  7. #107
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    02-10-12 @ 03:36 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    845

    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique
    Suicide is one of the most selfish things you can do; it harms everybody that loves and cares about you infinitely more profoundly than it does yourself, because they have to live with it.

    What she did to her family was infinitely worse than what those "bullies" did to her.
    I agree. Suicide just shirks your pain off onto the people that care about you; the only ethical thing to do is to keep the pain to yourself and endure it in silence. Just think of all the suffering this girl could have spared her family, if only she had learned to endure more pain. Pity she turned to suicide instead of drugs.

  8. #108
    Fool & Troll Handler
    MC.no.spin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Last Seen
    08-26-17 @ 02:53 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    3,392

    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    "The investigation revealed relentless activity directed toward Phoebe designed to humiliate her and to make it impossible for her to remain at school," District Attorney Elizabeth Scheibel said.

    "The bullying, for her, became intolerable."

    Students said Phoebe was called "Irish slut" and "whore" on Twitter, Craigslist, Facebook and Formspring.

    Her books were routinely knocked out of her hands, items were flung at her, her face was scribbled out of photographs on the school walls, and threatening text messages were sent to her cell phone.

    Scheibel said she had drawn the ire of the "Mean Girls" by briefly dating a popular senior football player in her first freshman weeks at the school. One student later said it felt like the whole school ganged up on her.

    On Jan. 14, Phoebe was harassed and threatened in the school library and in a hallway, Scheibel said. As she walked home, one of the "Mean Girls" drove by and threw a can of Red Bull at her.

    Phoebe walked into her house and hung herself in a stairwell.

    The nastiness didn't even end there. Her tormentors posted vicious comments on the dead girl's Facebook memorial page.

    For months, community anger simmered that no punishment had befallen Phoebe's bullies. Petitions were signed and town hall meetings held.

    Scheibel said her investigators were taking the time to investigate thoroughly, and she slammed "the inexplicable lack of cooperation from Internet service providers, in particular Facebook and Craigslist."


    Read more: Phoebe Prince, South Hadley High School's 'new girl,' driven to suicide by teenage cyber bullies



    Still thinking about this story. Sad.

    If parents and schools could teach kids just one thing, it should be to treat others how you would like to be treated.
    "Everyone has his axe to grind - his favorite fiction to pimp. We live in a world of hustlers and clowns."
    ~ Bob Somerby

  9. #109
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:49 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,323

    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I think there is a difference between a one time, or a few times incidents and a constant pattern of bullying and abuse that lasted over quite a long time. I would agree with you if this were somewhat isolated or incidental, but it seems to be neither.
    I would have pulled my kid out of that school.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  10. #110
    Sage
    roguenuke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Last Seen
    05-17-17 @ 05:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,935

    Re: Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    I don't understand how they bullied her online. Couldn't she change her e-mail or block them from her facebook or do something else like that so they couldn't contact her?

    p.s. I'm not blaming this in any way on her I'm just curious.
    Well, actually it didn't necessarily have to have been on her page. If they put stuff up about her on their pages, that would still be bullying. There was stuff on Craigslist, so maybe they would put nasty ads on Craigslist as being from her, with her number possibly?

    It seems like no big deal but think about it rationally. If someone is so dedicated to spend their spare time to put mean things up about another person on their own social spaces, that seems to suggest that maybe these "bullies" were obsessed with seeing this girl trashed and humiliated as much as they could. That is not your normal, everyday bullying. Most bullies are content to leave there bullying at school, with the possible exceptions if they happen to run into the person somewhere else like the mall. They don't go out of their way to stalk the person, send text messages, or constantly trash the person being bullied on their own time. And, most bullies don't gang up on someone 9 to 1. It's easy to say that maybe she should have fought back, but even if we say that the boys weren't doing the actual harassment, and it was just the girls, if they were only at half the girls when they were harassing her it would still be 3 to 1, bullies to her.

    As for telling her parents, she might have been trying to hide the fact that she had sex from them. Teenagers can be ashamed of having sex, especially if they felt they were used by the person. And being from Ireland, there's a good chance she and her family are Catholic. Also, one of those stories said that there were school staff who witnessed some of the abuse, including the physical abuse, and did nothing. So she might be ashamed to tell her parents the full extent, if anything, about what was going on, and she has no reason to trust the school staff if none of the ones that seen it happen to her were stopping it right there. And being that she is new to the school, and from a different country, she probably didn't have a lot of friends at the school to turn to. I don't agree with suicide as the answer, but I can see how someone can feel that they can't take it anymore, and they just don't have anywhere to turn.

    Also, from what I can tell, the bullies aren't getting charged with murder or manslaughter or anything like that. They are getting charges that fit with what they did, and that should have been done far before it got to the point of this girl committing suicide.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

Page 11 of 29 FirstFirst ... 91011121321 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •