Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

[American]

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March 28, 2010

JENNIFER CHAMBERS
The Detroit News
At least seven people, including some from Michigan, have been arrested in raids by a FBI-led Joint Terrorism Task Force in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana as part of an investigation into an Adrian-based Christian militia group, a person familiar with the matter said.
The suspects are expected to make an initial appearance in U.S. District Court in Detroit on Monday.
On Sunday, a source close to the investigation in Washington, D.C. confirmed that FBI agents were conducting activities in Washtenaw and Lenawee counties over the weekend in connection to Hutaree, a Christian militia group. Detroit FBI Special Agent Sandra Berchtold told The Detroit News the federal warrants in the case are under court seal and declined further comment.
Sources have said the FBI was in the second day of raids around the southeastern Michigan city of Adrian that are connected to a militia group, known as the Hutaree, an Adrian-based group whose members describe themselves as Christian soldiers preparing for the arrival and battle with the anti-Christ.
WXYZ-TV reports that helicopters were spotted in the sky for much of Saturday night, and agents set up checkpoints throughout the area. Witnesses told the station that it was like a small army had descended on the area. The Department of Homeland Security and the Joint Terrorism Task Force are also involved in the raids.
Lackomar said he heard from other militia members that the FBI targeted the Hutaree after its members made threats of violence against Islamic organizations.
Mike Lackomar, of Michiganmilitia.com, said both The Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia and the Michiganmilitia.com were not a part of the raid.
.....Sources from the Michigan militia community said one of the FBI raids took place Saturday during a wake for a Hutaree member who had died of natural causes. A Hutaree leader was arrested during the wake while at the same time agents were conducting raids at other locations.

Now the guilt or innocense of any of these people aside, can you imagine this happening to an Islamic group here? And then especially during a funeral?

 

[liblady]

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Now the guilt or innocense of any of these people aside, can you imagine this happening to an Islamic group here? And then especially during a funeral?

so, you don't want to discuss the article you posted?

 

[winston53660]

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Now the guilt or innocense of any of these people aside, can you imagine this happening to an Islamic group here? And then especially during a funeral?

Yes and yes, now what about the article and discussing it?

 

[PeteEU]

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Now the guilt or innocense of any of these people aside, can you imagine this happening to an Islamic group here? And then especially during a funeral?

How about raiding a mosque? Or killing an Iman? Or mass arrests based on name and religion after 9/11... in other words you are as usual wrong.

 

[American]

How about raiding a mosque? Or killing an Iman? Or mass arrests based on name and religion after 9/11... in other words you are as usual wrong.

Got links for all this?

 

[American]

so, you don't want to discuss the article you posted?

If you can show where I said that be my guest, but then you're being hypocritical since you haven't yet begun yourself.

 

[PeteEU]

Got links for all this?

Mass arresting of muslims in the US. It is a dirty little secret of the US. Estimates several thousands men and boys were arrested briefly purely based on ethnicity and religion and many were deported.

BBC NEWS | Americas | Mass arrests of Muslims in LA

BBC NEWS | Americas | US threatens mass expulsions

or

Imam killed in FBI sting was shot 21 times: report | Raw Story

for the dead Iman. Yes he was a radical and so on.. but so are the Christian nutjobs.

or

Mystery surrounds FBI raid on North Side mosque

a raid on a mosque.

So your fake "outcry".. and trying to defacto defend Christian nutjobs is one big fail. So what if they were arrested at a funeral... they are domestic terror suspects.. you dont wait for them to be non holy ground to arrest religious nutjobs bent on killing people.

 

[NoJingoLingo]

Why are we surprised? I've never even heard of a militia group that wasn't Christian. Did someone think Christians aren't militant?

 

[liblady]

if you wanted to discuss the article, why was your question about something else?

you clearly want to stir things up. pass.

 

[American]

Mass arresting of muslims in the US. It is a dirty little secret of the US. Estimates several thousands men and boys were arrested briefly purely based on ethnicity and religion and many were deported.

BBC NEWS | Americas | Mass arrests of Muslims in LA

BBC NEWS | Americas | US threatens mass expulsions

'Eventually, agents arrested Larry M. Williams, a convicted felon who was wanted because of unresolved warrants, including for not registering as a sex offender.'

or

Imam killed in FBI sting was shot 21 times: report | Raw Story

for the dead Iman. Yes he was a radical and so on.. but so are the Christian nutjobs.

"But the authorities said Mr. Abdullah, who had a lengthy criminal record and was forbidden to have a firearm, opened fire on the agents. "

or

Mystery surrounds FBI raid on North Side mosque

a raid on a mosque.

So your fake "outcry".. and trying to defacto defend Christian nutjobs is one big fail. So what if they were arrested at a funeral... they are domestic terror suspects.. you dont wait for them to be non holy ground to arrest religious nutjobs bent on killing people.

US immigration officials in Southern California have detained hundreds of Iranians and other Muslim men who turned up to register under residence laws brought in as part of the anti-terror drive.
Reports say between 500 and 700 men were arrested in and around Los Angeles after they complied with an order to register by 16 December.
People went down wanting to co-operate and then they were detained

The Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) is refusing to say how many people were arrested but said detainees were being held for suspected visa violations and other offences.

And there was plenty of outrage from the Muslims and ACLU. We'll see where the ACLU stands on this no doubt by their silence. Furthermore I don't see where the militia group broke a law.

 

[Arch Enemy]

gotta blame the jews for this one

 

[Andalublue]

I'd have no problem with raids being made on Moslem militia groups planning attacks on Christian or any other target. As Pete pointed out, such raids have taken place. Did you, American, complain when these raids took place? In the interests of balance, of course.

I know nothing of the Hutaree, but if they are armed to the teeth (no doubt claiming their Second Amendment rights) and planning attacks on anyone, they need to be taken out.

Which aspect of the raid do you find troubling?

 

[American]

I'd have no problem with raids being made on Moslem militia groups planning attacks on Christian or any other target. As Pete pointed out, such raids have taken place. Did you, American, complain when these raids took place? In the interests of balance, of course.

I know nothing of the Hutaree, but if they are armed to the teeth (no doubt claiming their Second Amendment rights) and planning attacks on anyone, they need to be taken out.

Which aspect of the raid do you find troubling?

In these others raids at least alleged crimes were committed, I see nother here to indicate that.

 

[Ikari]

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Now the guilt or innocense of any of these people aside, can you imagine this happening to an Islamic group here? And then especially during a funeral?

So....what did they do wrong? I suppose they should feel lucky that they weren't barricaded into the building as the ATF set it on fire and prevented their escape.

 

[American]

So....what did they do wrong? I suppose they should feel lucky that they weren't barricaded into the building as the ATF set it on fire and prevented their escape.

The Dept of HS has been targeting right wingers (including our veterans) as potential terrorists.

Napolitano stands by controversial report - Washington Times

Federal agency warns of radicals on right - Washington Times

Legion objects to vets as terror risk - Washington Times

 

[Ikari]

The Dept of HS has been targeting right wingers (including our veterans) as potential terrorists.

Napolitano stands by controversial report - Washington Times

Federal agency warns of radicals on right - Washington Times

Legion objects to vets as terror risk - Washington Times

That's probably not limited to right wingers to be honest. They'll database everyone they can, label all of us whatever it is that is most convenient for them at the time. Not new. But I do think they'll use the wars going on in the ME and this dumb ass War on Terror to actually start picking up arrests on the matter. Oh noes....here comes terrorists! Quick look away while the government deals with it....no peaking!

 

[American]

Apparently we don't have any leftwingers in the military who would join any kind of suspicious groups.

 

[Goobieman]

And there was plenty of outrage from the Muslims and ACLU. We'll see where the ACLU stands on this no doubt by their silence.

This is true. When a Muslim group is acted against by the federal govermment -- especially if that federal governmenr was headed by GWB -- there was an immediate stink raised by the liberal left.

Christians? Well, that's OK.

Furthermore I don't see where the militia group broke a law.

The indictment specifies seditious conspiracy, conspiracy to use a WMD, teaching how to use explosives, and 2 counts of use of a firearm in comission of a felony.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Apparently we don't have any leftwingers in the military who would join any kind of suspicious groups.

Probably dont have many "left wingers" that join the military then join suspicious groups

They go to university then join suspicious groups like the ETA for example

Environmentalists are not likely to join the US military, then go and join the ETA

 

[Ikari]

Apparently we don't have any leftwingers in the military who would join any kind of suspicious groups.

I mean in general. There are authentic groups which really do pose a threat. But for the most part, I think the government is looking to catalog and database anyone and everyone whom has said something bad about the government; left-wing or right-wing or no-wing...doesn't matter. They want people on lists, they want all their information gathered and kept centrally, etc. And if people do things the government doesn't like; damned their rights, they're a terrorist or some other buzz word which means that we don't think about what we're doing or if it's right.

 

[Ikari]

The indictment specifies seditious conspiracy, conspiracy to use a WMD, teaching how to use explosives, and 2 counts of use of a firearm in comission of a felony.

So basically BS charges then? WTF do they classify as a WMD these days?

 

[Goobieman]

So basically BS charges then? WTF do they classify as a WMD these days?

The indictment:

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[Chappy]

Excerpted from “Militia members charged with police-killing plot” By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press, 1 hour ago
[SIZE="+2"]N[/SIZE]ine suspects tied to a Christian militia in the Midwest are charged with conspiring to kill police officers, then attack a funeral in the hopes of killing more law enforcement personnel, federal prosecutors said Monday. …

After such attacks, the group allegedly planned to retreat to "rally points" protected by trip-wired improvised explosive devices, or IEDs, for what they expected would become a violent standoff with law enforcement personnel.

"It is believed by the Hutaree that this engagement would then serve as a catalyst for a more wide-sread uprising against the government," the indictment charges. …

I feel safer knowing that these nutjobs are in custody.

 

[Ikari]

I feel safer knowing that these nutjobs are in custody.

The point isn't to be safe, the point is to be free.

 

[Chappy]

Free to go around plotting the murder of police officers? No thank you.