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    Re: Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Except I did not. The government did not handle the situation well, but that does not change the fact that the Waco nuts where criminals, and that it is illegal to resist having a warrant served.
    They really weren't doing much wrong. I mean, not handling the situation correct, and setting fire to a compound with people holed up inside I think are maybe on different places on the ol' severity scale. And I prefer the whole "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" thing. But that's just me.
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    Re: Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They really weren't doing much wrong. I mean, not handling the situation correct, and setting fire to a compound with people holed up inside I think are maybe on different places on the ol' severity scale. And I prefer the whole "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" thing. But that's just me.
    At some point, the authorities have to decide who is more important, some whackjob religious cult with criminal charges against them, or those who try and enforce those laws. I will always side with those on the side of law and order. The mistake the government made was in not bombing the compound after the Davidian's barricaded themselves in it.
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    Re: Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    At some point, the authorities have to decide who is more important, some whackjob religious cult with criminal charges against them, or those who try and enforce those laws. I will always side with those on the side of law and order. The mistake the government made was in not bombing the compound after the Davidian's barricaded themselves in it.
    So basically you're ok with the government carrying out death sentences without trial. K, good to know.
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    Re: Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So basically you're ok with the government carrying out death sentences without trial. K, good to know.
    No, you let the people know the bomb is coming, give them time to get out unarmed if they choose. What does not need to happen is protecting criminals at large risk to those who protect our laws.

    This has gone way off topic though, we might better continue this discussion elsewhere. In this case, at least the criminals were arrested peaceably.
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    Re: Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

    Those who "protect our laws" are also subject to them. Trial by jury is what we have, and you can't excuse actions which lead to the mass death of suspects, women, and children. But I will agree with you in that I am certainly happy that these suspects were not Wacoed before they can have a trial.
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    Re: Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

    What I don't understand is what these militiamen thought they were going to accomplish by killing police officers. Blowing up a police funeral? I cannot think of a faster way to ensure that the entire country turns on you and lets out a cheer when the FBI blows your stronghold to pieces on live television. Meanwhile, the country reels so far away from your political views that everything you believed in becomes just another crazy thing people our grandparents' generation thought.
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    Re: Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    if you wanted to discuss the article, why was your question about something else?

    you clearly want to stir things up. pass.
    He is discussing the article by mentioning an analogy. Comparisons were allowed in my debate class.

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    Re: Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is true. When a Muslim group is acted against by the federal govermment -- especially if that federal governmenr was headed by GWB -- there was an immediate stink raised by the liberal left.

    Christians? Well, that's OK.


    The indictment specifies seditious conspiracy, conspiracy to use a WMD, teaching how to use explosives, and 2 counts of use of a firearm in comission of a felony.
    I don't think this was in the OP was it?
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    Re: Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

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    Now the guilt or innocense of any of these people aside, can you imagine this happening to an Islamic group here? And then especially during a funeral?
    Yes, I can. If they were planning to kill people, Islamic groups would be targeted, just as surely as this Christian group was. The indictments have now been unsealed, and they show that this militia was planning to kill police officers.

    The indictment unsealed in U.S. District Court today claims that the Hutaree planned to kill an unidentified member of local law enforcement and then attack the law enforcement officers who gather in Michigan for the funeral. According to the plan, the Hutaree would attack law enforcement vehicles during the funeral procession with improvised explosive devices rigged with projectiles, which constitute weapons of mass destruction, according to the announcement by U.S. Attorney Barbara L. McQuade.
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    Re: Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Why are we surprised? I've never even heard of a militia group that wasn't Christian. Did someone think Christians aren't militant?
    Puh-leese.

    There are militia that claim to be Christian oriented, and there are militia that are purely political in nature.

    There are plenty of left wing militant groups that the media doesn't label as militia, but certainly could. ELF and ALF for starters.

    The middle east is covered in Islamic Militias.

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