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    Re: Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Not really, I don't mean to nit pick but, this is why many people have the wrong impression and then make general judgment based on a label. This is what the media does. There are thousand of militia groups in this country and true patriots who believe in this country and all it processes in governing based on our constitution.

    Although I am not asking you to correct it, I know and I assume most here know exactly what your talking about but, do you see the point I am trying to make.
    But are those militia's making threats to people or groups

    Or are they saying the will defend the nation and constitution without making threats to specific people or groups
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    Re: Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    But are those militia's making threats to people or groups

    Or are they saying the will defend the nation and constitution without making threats to specific people or groups
    They will defend the nation if those specific groups(right/left or center) threaten our country, constitution or processes, as required by our constitution and the constitutional oath given, this also applies to our military and all elected leaders. The threats are warranted to those who wish to violate our constitution, sovereignty or laws and do serve as a reminder that the American people have this right to enforce our constitution by all means required. That said, as a militia they do not have the right to make unprovoked threats or act on their own merit or initiative. Malitia's are groups who will support the federal government, military and states in accordance with the constitution when called upon by acting and legitimate authority.

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    Re: Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    … do you see the point I am trying to make.
    No, I guess I don't. I don't doubt there are patriotic people who belong to all kinds of military-related groups; e.g., historical reenactors, etc. They don't go around threatening to do harm to people, so power to them.

    People associating in whatever they call it, militias, etc., loading up on arms and going around threatening people, they we should take at their word because failing to do so carries such severe consequences. I don't see the controversy in this limited and focused statement.
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    Re: Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    No, I guess I don't. I don't doubt there are patriotic people who belong to all kinds of military-related groups; e.g., historical reenactors, etc. They don't go around threatening to do harm to people, so power to them.

    People associating in whatever they call it, militias, etc., loading up on arms and going around threatening people, they we should take at their word because failing to do so carries such severe consequences. I don't see the controversy in this limited and focused statement.
    Then those people are not legitimate militia and if they were then their title should be stripped.

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    Re: Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's because it didn't label anyone as potential terrorists.
    Did you read either report American?

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    Re: Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/newrep...1&p=1058650013

    This is what the prosecutors are saying they planned on doing

    Prosecutors said the FBI moved in after learning that the group planned a violent reconnaissance mission some time in April.

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    According to the indictment, the group hoped that by killing a police officer, they could then use home-made bombs to murder more officers who attended the funeral.

    They also allegedly discussed other ways of attacking police, including using a fake emergency call to lure officers into an ambush and targeting their families.

    After making an attack, the group intended to fall back to "rally points" protected by trip-wired explosives for what they expected to be a long siege, said prosecutors.

    "It is believed by the Hutaree that this engagement would then serve as a catalyst for a more widespread uprising against the government", said the indictment.


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    Re: Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/newrep...1&p=1058650013

    This is what the prosecutors are saying they planned on doing
    Can't wait to see conservatives try and defend this! Being that specific, it's hard to use the "just venting" argument. A clear and direct threat by a group with the means and motive to implement it is worthy of law enforcement's attention, regardless of the race, religion, or political makeup of the group making the threat.
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    Re: Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Can't wait to see conservatives try and defend this!
    Why would they?

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    Re: Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Can't wait to see conservatives try and defend this! Being that specific, it's hard to use the "just venting" argument. A clear and direct threat by a group with the means and motive to implement it is worthy of law enforcement's attention, regardless of the race, religion, or political makeup of the group making the threat.
    Generally I would consider the threat they posed (if the allegations are true) to be higher then the Liberty City group that was arrested and convicted for wanting to attack the Sears Tower

    (Generally as they had the means to carry out their threats)
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    Re: Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Can't wait to see conservatives try and defend this! …
    Do you really pin this on conservatives? I guess that's why they react so strongly when stories like this appear. It's kind of the American nightmare, religious group arms itself to the teeth and wants to bring about the end of the world by committing mass murder.

    Personally, I don't assign this to the conservative persuasion. My initial take is this is more about what happens when religion goes off the rails. Don't you just love it that this was a “Christian” sect. What would Jesus do?
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