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    Re: US Deaths Double In Afghanistan As Troops Pour In

    There is nothing wrong, or necessarily partisan to talk about the cost of war. You can't fight any war without there being a price paid. The question always boils down to gain versus costs. Like many, I understood and support Afghanistan more than Iraq because it made a little more sense as OBL was actually there, and Pakistan was and is a concern (what happens in Afghanistan matters to Pakistan).

    This does not mean I agree with everything Obama has done. Both some of the mindless bombing and the surge of troops in Afghanistan seem more counter productive to me than more clearly defining our role and limits in that region.

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    Re: US Deaths Double In Afghanistan As Troops Pour In

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What has changed?
    Obama's New Rules for Engagement

    • No night or surprise searches.

    • Villagers have to be warned prior to searches.

    • ANA or ANP must accompany U.S. units on searches.

    • U.S. soldiers may not fire at the enemy unless the enemy is preparing to fire first.

    • U.S. forces cannot engage the enemy if civilians are present.

    • Only women can search women.

    • Troops can fire at an insurgent if they catch him placing an IED but not if insurgents are walking away from an area where explosives have been laid.

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    Re: US Deaths Double In Afghanistan As Troops Pour In

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    You forgot:

    1) There are a lot more troops in Afghanistan now:

    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    You forgot:

    1) There are a lot more troops in Afghanistan now:

    That's irrelevant. They don't all fight at the same time.

    It's the manner they're forced to fight now that is leading to an percentage increase in casualties.

    Do not defend Obama's rules of engagement. It is truly pathetic what he's doing to these troops for political reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    That's irrelevant. They don't all fight at the same time.

    It's the manner they're forced to fight now that is leading to an percentage increase in casualties.

    Do not defend Obama's rules of engagement. It is truly pathetic what he's doing to these troops for political reasons.


    So you're basically saying that the doubling of the troop count has absolutely nothing to do with the higher body count. Is that what you're saying?
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: US Deaths Double In Afghanistan As Troops Pour In

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    So you're basically saying that the doubling of the troop count has absolutely nothing to do with the higher body count. Is that what you're saying?
    Yep. Just because there are more troops doesn't mean they're all engaged at the same time.

    Our soldiers aren't getting killed in massive militaristic exchanges of gunfire. They're getting killed because they can't take the actions and precautions ahead of time that they could before when the enter dangerous city areas.

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    Re: US Deaths Double In Afghanistan As Troops Pour In

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    So you're basically saying that the doubling of the troop count has absolutely nothing to do with the higher body count. Is that what you're saying?




    are you saying these absurd ROE's have absolutley nothing to do with the higher body count?
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    Re: US Deaths Double In Afghanistan As Troops Pour In

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    are you saying these absurd ROE's have absolutley nothing to do with the higher body count?
    Do you have any evidence they do? Or is this another you just know deal?

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    Re: US Deaths Double In Afghanistan As Troops Pour In

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Do you have any evidence they do? Or is this another you just know deal?
    God help us all.

    Doesn't it just kind of make sense? If you kill the people before they have a chance to shoot you, does that not increase your chances?

    This ain't rocket science, pardon the pun.

    Read these again:

    • No night or surprise searches.

    • Villagers have to be warned prior to searches.

    • ANA or ANP must accompany U.S. units on searches.

    • U.S. soldiers may not fire at the enemy unless the enemy is preparing to fire first.

    • U.S. forces cannot engage the enemy if civilians are present.

    • Only women can search women.

    • Troops can fire at an insurgent if they catch him placing an IED but not if insurgents are walking away from an area where explosives have been laid.
    Last edited by Erod; 03-29-10 at 12:39 PM.

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    Re: US Deaths Double In Afghanistan As Troops Pour In

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Do you have any evidence they do? Or is this another you just know deal?


    not going to even waste my time with you.
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