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    Re: Obama makes unannounced trip to Afghanistan

    I think Obama has shown considerable fidelity to the Constitution and his duty as President. His trip to Afghanistan at a time when he must have been exhausted after the health care reform debate, demonstrates his determination to fulfill all the duties of his office.
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    Re: Obama makes unannounced trip to Afghanistan

    a-jad made some pointed - and valid - observations about Obama's trip to the middle east:
    ... Ahmadinejad said the U.S. has failed to isolate Iran. He said the fact that Obama's recent visit to Afghanistan was not announced beforehand for security reasons was evidence of America's own isolation.

    "First, let's see who is isolated. We think those who can't show up publicly among the people and directly address them are isolated, those who fear nations. Gentlemen go to a country where they have 60,000 troops without any prior announcement. Who is isolated?" Ahmadinejad said.

    The Iranian president noted that his own trip to Afghanistan was announced in advance and said he was warmly received.

    "You are isolated yourself, but you are hotheaded and don't understand it," Ahmadinejad said.
    interesting article is in full here
    The Associated Press: Ahmadinejad: Sanctions aid, rather than hurt, Iran
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Obama makes unannounced trip to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I think Obama has shown considerable fidelity to the Constitution and his duty as President. His trip to Afghanistan at a time when he must have been exhausted after the health care reform debate, demonstrates his determination to fulfill all the duties of his office.
    So...Obama campaigns on the unconstitutionality of Gitmo, renditions, wiretapping, etc., yet, as POTUS not only maintains those Bush policies but actually enhances the drone killings...and you'll be arguing he has remained faithful to the Constitution. Man that is sick cynicism.

    As well, if you're going to argue this about Obama how do you explain the clear unconstitutionality of issuing an EO intended to enact legislation, i.e., the Stupak EO?

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    Re: Obama makes unannounced trip to Afghanistan

    I don't recall President Obama running on the unconstitutionality of Gitmo or renditions or even wiretapping. I do recall his statement that if the Pakistanis won't or can't attack terrorists on their territory, then as President, he would.

    As a former teacher of Constitutional Law, my sense is that President Obama is far more sensitive to constitutional issues surrounding these topics and more. My “cynicism detector” isn't going off at all.

    With regard to the recent executive order, Obama recorded a presidential commitment in that form that the Hyde Amendment would be fully enforced. That's completely constitutional.

    Really, all these complaints seem like partisan quibbling more than any serious constitutional challenge to the President's actions. And, certainly, President Obama's trip to Afghanistan reminded us that, just as his predecessor, ours is a war leader. Visiting with the troops and consulting with allied national leadership, are essential responsibilities of that role.
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    Re: Obama makes unannounced trip to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I don't recall President Obama running on the unconstitutionality of Gitmo or renditions or even wiretapping. I do recall his statement that if the Pakistanis won't or can't attack terrorists on their territory, then as President, he would.
    Your recollection is inaccurate. For example, re: eavesdropping...
    Obama said there is "little doubt" that the Bush Administration, with the cooperation of major telecommunications companies, "has abused [its] authority and undermined the Constitution by intercepting the communications of innocent Americans without their knowledge or the required court orders."

    Rendition: He also will eliminate the practice of extraordinary rendition, where we outsource our torture to other countries.

    As a former teacher of Constitutional Law, my sense is that President Obama is far more sensitive to constitutional issues surrounding these topics and more. My “cynicism detector” isn't going off at all.
    Despite his strident campaigning in opposition to Bush's policies in these areas, Obama has adopted them all. And is the most obvious way...expanded Bush's drone attacks despite Obama prattling on and on about the importance of due process.

    With regard to the recent executive order, Obama recorded a presidential commitment in that form that the Hyde Amendment would be fully enforced. That's completely constitutional.
    The Hyde Amendment applies only to HHS appropriations. The EO cannot change that and, so, it does not change that.

    Really, all these complaints seem like partisan quibbling more than any serious constitutional challenge to the President's actions. And, certainly, President Obama's trip to Afghanistan reminded us that, just as his predecessor, ours is a war leader. Visiting with the troops and consulting with allied national leadership, are essential responsibilities of that role.
    I am not mounting, here at least, a constitutional challenge to Obama's actions. I was merely addressing another poster's obscene comment about Obama's fidelity to the Constitution, which appears, uh, strained, when considering Obama's campaign condemnations of Bush policies as unconstitutional and then adopting everyone of them upon taking office.

    Maybe you would care to address that point that I made.

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