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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The kill radius of a 155mm round is 50 meters; well within the, "SEVERAL DOZEN", meters you're claiming.
    So the Israelis could patrol 200 meters on the Israeli side of the boarder, problem solved
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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    So the Israelis could patrol 200 meters on the Israeli side of the boarder, problem solved
    Yeah, that makes alotta sense. Then, the Islamofacists would have an easier time of crossing the border fence and planting more exlosives inside the border.

    Let's just make it a half-a-mile, to be on the safe side.
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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, that makes alotta sense. Then, the Islamofacists would have an easier time of crossing the border fence and planting more exlosives inside the border.

    Let's just make it a half-a-mile, to be on the safe side.
    It would not be any easier to cross the boarder fence due to patrolling 1 meter from it or 200 meters from it.

    And as Israel is one of the world leaders in unmanned drones, it could have those patrol right beside the fence while the Israeli soldiers were 200 meters away in relative safety.
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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    It would not be any easier to cross the boarder fence due to patrolling 1 meter from it or 200 meters from it.

    And as Israel is one of the world leaders in unmanned drones, it could have those patrol right beside the fence while the Israeli soldiers were 200 meters away in relative safety.
    Go outside and place a marker on the ground. Measure 1 meter from that marker. Then measure 200 meters from that marker. Then tell me how much more/less visability you have between the two distances from the marker. Then, factor in terrain and vegitation. After you've done all that, try to see at a distance of 200 meters, at night, without illumination.

    After you've done all that, come back and sell us that drivel.
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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Go outside and place a marker on the ground. Measure 1 meter from that marker. Then measure 200 meters from that marker. Then tell me how much more/less visability you have between the two distances from the marker. Then, factor in terrain and vegitation. After you've done all that, try to see at a distance of 200 meters, at night, without illumination.

    After you've done all that, come back and sell us that drivel.
    If they are so scared about explosives placed on the Palestinian side of the boarder they should not get that close.

    Israel has the right to place explosives on its side of the boarder, and so should the Palestinians. The Palestinians do not have the right to enforce a buffer zone on the Israeli side of the boarder and Israel should not either
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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    If they are so scared about explosives placed on the Palestinian side of the boarder they should not get that close.

    Israel has the right to place explosives on its side of the boarder, and so should the Palestinians. The Palestinians do not have the right to enforce a buffer zone on the Israeli side of the boarder and Israel should not either
    The Palestinians do have that right, but that right does not extend to using those explosives to kill Israelis on the Israeli side of the border.

    I know this will make too much sense for you, but how 'bout the Pals just not plant explosives that are designed to reach across the border and kill Israelis?
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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Why should we care again?
    Because we are not Europeans. We understand what obligation means. In other words, we are stuck caring about Israel's position as much as we are stuck doing business with the House of Saud.

    It is also strategically in our interest to care. It was Israel that took out Saddam HUssein's nuclear capabilities. It will be Israel that takes out nuclear threats in Iran.

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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
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    Israel has the right to place explosives on its side of the boarder, and so should the Palestinians. The Palestinians do not have the right to enforce a buffer zone on the Israeli side of the boarder and Israel should not either
    Point of Information.

    Both indeed have the 'right' to have explosives on their side of the border. But Gaza/Hamas and Israel are currently at WAR and have made incursions and fire onto the others side.
    During WAR both sides attempt destroy each other's military assets on both sides of the border! (tho Hamas targets mostly civilians)
    That's what 'war' is and what both sides have been doing.
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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    One might propose that they wait peacefully until Judgement day arrives.
    This is the problem. Christians and Muslims have been mandated b y the creators of their religion to spread and "witness" about God. (Review history for details.) Jews are Chosen and thusly have no prescription to spread, conquer, and bring God. (Review history for details.)

    Waiting for judgement day is easy for a Jew who is Chosen. For a Christian, forgiveness and belief, while being a good witness or defending God, finds passage to heaven. For a Muslim, there is no mechanism that guarantees passage. One is merely to be a "good" Muslim. But what is a "good" Muslim? Is it what the store keeper on the corner does or is it what a militant for Al-Queda does?

    Waiting for Judgement Day is a lttle harder for Muslims who question what is and is not a good Muslim in the Middle Eastern culture....especially when it comes to "defending" Islam as Muhammad demonstrated and mandated.

    Any claim that this is a conflict of yards and homes is not seeing the reality of this conflict.

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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I agree that we should just let them duke it out and decide things once and for all, except that if things turn for the worse for the IDF--which I seriously doubt would happen--we deploy US forces to turn the tide back in favor of the IDF.
    That's where we part company.

    First, I conceed, it's easy to be relaxed in my opinion, knowing Israel could hand each and every foe of their's, their camel's ass on a silver platter, in war. But I think, the impression that the US will support Israel, or any other nation for that matter, unconditionally, is just wrong.

    It's a cycle.

    Settlements
    Rocks and rockets.
    Tanks and body bags.
    Calm.
    Settlements.
    Rocks and rockets.
    Tanks and body bags.

    Meanwhile, the US is hated for supporting this controversy by proxy.

    That's like saying, "Let 'em fight it out, mono/mono, like men, Unless of couse, our guy starts losing.
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