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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Yes I am looking at it as a property perspective.
    Then you should stop debating with me. There is no such thing as "property" rights or boarder integrity in a war.

    Canada has no authority over the territory of the USof A. As such the US of A has the right to do what ever it wants to on its property
    Wrong. The USA doesnt have the right to do what ever it wants on its property, simple AS. Neither did Saddam Hussein, neither does Iran. In the case of Gaza/Israel, the two are locking heads and always have been. In a conflict, in a war and battle, sovereign lines become blurred and both sides fight for there safety.
    That is what Israel is doing and she has the right to make sure her neighbors do not infringe upon her own safety.

    Canada and moan and complain but it has no right to attack the US over things the US does in US territory (unless it is committing international warcrimes and placing explosives in US territory is not an international warcrime).
    Canada feeling it was a provocative act and a casus belli would mean Canada was being an idiot and should get beat down for being a bunch of morons. It is not a provocative act to defend ones boarders with mines or explosives or Anti Aircraft missile that fire only on planes that cross into your territory
    Its a provocation, and a provocation is enough reason to hit back. Had the explosives been planted away from the boarder, then Israel would have no right whatsoever to get involved.
    This was not the case.
    Also bear in mind nobody attacked anybody until Hamas tried to kidnap yet another IDF soldier.
    In a war where one side commits continous acts of provocation, war crimes and supports Jihad, the soldiers where merely performing there duty and protecting.



    Canada isn't a terrorist organization, for starters.
    Also please explain how the purpose of one explosive is meant to "protect the boarder" rather than create a deliberate terrorist attack on patrolling soldiers? The IDF has a responsibility to prevent such things from happening.

    Hamas planting explosives in Gaza is perfectly fine, Hamas planting them in Israel would not be. Nothing worring about that.

    Yes it can, and both sides can place as many explosives on their side of the boarder as they want. Crossing the boarder is a provocation worthy of response, giving the other side the finger is not. Blockading a country is worthy of a response, not trading with a country is not.
    May i also remind you the blockade has seen the dramatic fall of HAMAS SPONSORERED JIHADIST attacks against Israel?
    Hamas CAUSED provocation, the blockade is merely a response to that.

    Also the logic is flawed. Yes, you are right, they CAN place as many explosives on there side of the boarder as they want.
    That doesnt make it any less of a provocation that should be met with a bollocking, so to speak.
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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    WTH?? Haven't heard about this from the media.

    The media was all over this last time Israel sent military forces to Gaza.

    What gives?


    Thank you for this news story.

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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    You are aware that it is their own attacks on Israel that endanger their own safety right? They do not attack they do not get attacked? That device had nothing to do with Palestinian safety.

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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Yes it can, and both sides can place as many explosives on their side of the boarder as they want. Crossing the boarder is a provocation worthy of response, giving the other side the finger is not.
    It is not necessary for Hamas to cross the Israeli border to act as provocateur. They could have been setting up a rocket launcher or mortar tubes. Under the current Israel/Hamas war ambiance, such suspicious activity needed to be investigated. If they were planting flowers then hey, no problem. But they were not planting flowers. Do you imagine they were planting explosives by the border to kill fellow Palestinians?

    Your whole thesis here makes absolutely no sense in the real world. It is a luxury abstract constructed from the cloths of naivety and distance.

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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    It is not necessary for Hamas to cross the Israeli border to act as provocateur. They could have been setting up a rocket launcher or mortar tubes. Under the current Israel/Hamas war ambiance, such suspicious activity needed to be investigated. If they were planting flowers then hey, no problem. But they were not planting flowers. Do you imagine they were planting explosives by the border to kill fellow Palestinians?

    Your whole thesis here makes absolutely no sense in the real world. It is a luxury abstract constructed from the cloths of naivety and distance.
    It seems that a lot of people don't really understand how dangerous it is on a daily basis & that Israelis must be on guard 24/7........

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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    WTH?? Haven't heard about this from the media.

    The media was all over this last time Israel sent military forces to Gaza.

    What gives?


    Thank you for this news story.
    Minor incursion, what you are talking about was an all out cross boarder war (when the media was "all over this last time"). This is nothing new.

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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The pursuit of peace is preferable. However, there are two major barriers right now:

    1. The Palestinian leadership in Ramallah is maintaining a self-imposed boycott on negotiations. Without negotiations, peace cannot be pursued diplomatically.

    You are quite correct, but they say negotiations can go ahead if Israel ceases planning and building additional settlements.

    2. Hamas rejects Israel's right to exist and it rejects negotiations. Furthermore, it defines such rejectionism as a requirement of religious faith. From Hamas' charter:

    Hamas are filth, they will never adhere to any agreement even if they themselves sign up to an agreement.

    The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that. Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgment Day...

    Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement.
    One might propose that they wait peacefully until Judgement day arrives.

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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by MetalGear View Post
    I corrected myself, look back at my post.

    Do you actually think placing mines near the boarder is ok? You dont see that as a provocation? Really?



    The IDF didnt attack them until Hamas attempted to kidnap a soldier. The US in this case is clearly provocating Canada. As a result, Canada would have the right to neutralize the targets especially if she believed those targets posed a threat to the nation...in this instance there is more of an excuse because Hamas is also a terrorist faction.

    There is no shortage of provocation on either side. I'm rather bored with it. I wish they would just duke it out once and for all. Whatever. As long as the US isn't involved or sending any $$$, to either side, I don't care what they do. But, I will cheer for the Israeli's from the peanut gallery. That much support I am willing to offer.

    Their cycle of conflict is not at the top of the list on things we should get done first here in the US. We need to focus inward for once.

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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Read the article
    SEVERAL DOZEN meters in Palestinian territory

    Meaning the only way Israeli forces could be affected is if they cross into Palestinian territory
    The kill radius of a 155mm round is 50 meters; well within the, "SEVERAL DOZEN", meters you're claiming.
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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    There is no shortage of provocation on either side. I'm rather bored with it. I wish they would just duke it out once and for all. Whatever. As long as the US isn't involved or sending any $$$, to either side, I don't care what they do. But, I will cheer for the Israeli's from the peanut gallery. That much support I am willing to offer.

    Their cycle of conflict is not at the top of the list on things we should get done first here in the US. We need to focus inward for once.
    I agree that we should just let them duke it out and decide things once and for all, except that if things turn for the worse for the IDF--which I seriously doubt would happen--we deploy US forces to turn the tide back in favor of the IDF.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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