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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

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    SEVERAL DOZEN meters in Palestinian territory

    Meaning the only way Israeli forces could be affected is if they cross into Palestinian territory
    Or if they patrol next to the border and the explosives cover the radius of a few dozen meters.

    One recalls that their intention was most probably to kidnap a soldier, and they've probably tried to use Hizb'allah's tactic when it placed explosives near the Lebanese-Israeli border and waited for an Israeli patrol to pass by, then they've activated the explosives, crossed into the Israeli side and have kidnapped the two soldiers that were still alive from the explosive's damage.
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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

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    SEVERAL DOZEN meters in Palestinian territory

    Meaning the only way Israeli forces could be affected is if they cross into Palestinian territory
    Meaning I was right. You've no experience in this arena.

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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    You've obviously never seen an IED with daisy-chained artillery shells blow.
    Even if the shrapnel did not spread far enough harm a patrol that type of IED would be one hell of a concussion grenade with a more extended range wouldn't it

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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

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    Even if the shrapnel did not spread far enough harm a patrol that type of IED would be one hell of a concussion grenade with a more extended range wouldn't it
    You betcha.

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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
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    SEVERAL DOZEN meters in Palestinian territory

    Meaning the only way Israeli forces could be affected is if they cross into Palestinian territory
    Several of Dozens of meters could be two, or three, or four. In which case it would still be very provocative to place them in such a close proximity to the boarder, and also close enough to be harmful. Anyway, as Tasha said, to leave them be would be sheer negligence. What where Hamas doing, trying to blow the ant infestation away? No.

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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by MetalGear View Post
    Several of Dozens of meters could be two, or three, or four. In which case it would still be very provocative to place them in such a close proximity to the boarder, and also close enough to be harmful. Anyway, as Tasha said, to leave them be would be sheer negligence. What where Hamas doing, trying to blow the ant infestation away? No.
    Which means at least 24 meters from the fence, most likely 60-100

    Well within Palestinian territory. And if Israel was concernedd about the possible explosions hurting their patrols they should patrol 200 meters from the fence on the Israel side of the boarder. Far enough away to protect themselves from the shock wave and close enough to get a good look at the fence.

    And of course Hamas was planting explosives with the intent to kill or injury any Israel forces that came into Palestinian territory.
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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    As long as the mines are in US territory it is perfectly fine.
    No it is not. If a country interprets another countries act as provocative, they have the casus belli to react, that is there right.
    Your are looking at it from a "property" perspective which is wrong. Equally i wouldn't sanction genocide against the Canadian people in America as long as it was done "on there side of the boarder".

    It will have no effect on any Canadian not trying to cross into the US illegally. The US would be within its rights to kill anyone crossing its boarder illegally, and as such not a provocation to Canada
    Your comparison between the two situations shows that your knowledge on this topic is flawed. Anyway....
    When your dealing with a terrorist group who are notorious for blasting rockets over the boarder and carrying out Jihad, the fact that you find it acceptable and "non-provocative" that a terrorist should plant explosives and be allowed to get away with it is....worrying.

    If the US placed the mines in Canadian territory now that is a provocation as it crossed into Canadian territory, and Canada should (not that it could) wipe out the forces that crossed into Canadian territory
    You dont know what provocation means. You dont seem to realize it can come from either side of the boarder.

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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by MetalGear View Post
    No it is not. If a country interprets another countries act as provocative, they have the casus belli to react, that is there right.
    Your are looking at it from a "property" perspective which is wrong. Equally i wouldn't sanction genocide against the Canadian people in America as long as it was done "on there side of the boarder".
    Yes I am looking at it as a property perspective. Canada has no authority over the territory of the USof A. As such the US of A has the right to do what ever it wants to on its property. Canada and moan and complain but it has no right to attack the US over things the US does in US territory (unless it is committing international warcrimes and placing explosives in US territory is not an international warcrime). Canada feeling it was a provocative act and a casus belli would mean Canada was being an idiot and should get beat down for being a bunch of morons. It is not a provocative act to defend ones boarders with mines or explosives or Anti Aircraft missile that fire only on planes that cross into your territory


    Your comparison between the two situations shows that your knowledge on this topic is flawed. Anyway....
    When your dealing with a terrorist group who are notorious for blasting rockets over the boarder and carrying out Jihad, the fact that you find it acceptable and "non-provocative" that a terrorist should plant explosives and be allowed to get away with it is....worrying.
    Hamas planting explosives in Gaza is perfectly fine, Hamas planting them in Israel would not be. Nothing worring about that.
    You dont know what provocation means. You dont seem to realize it can come from either side of the boarder.
    Yes it can, and both sides can place as many explosives on their side of the boarder as they want. Crossing the boarder is a provocation worthy of response, giving the other side the finger is not. Blockading a country is worthy of a response, not trading with a country is not.

    Calling the other side a bunch of names, making threats are not worthy of a response, following up on those threats is
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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Which means at least 24 meters from the fence, most likely 60-100

    Well within Palestinian territory. And if Israel was concernedd about the possible explosions hurting their patrols they should patrol 200 meters from the fence on the Israel side of the boarder. Far enough away to protect themselves from the shock wave and close enough to get a good look at the fence.

    And of course Hamas was planting explosives with the intent to kill or injury any Israel forces that came into Palestinian territory.
    Sorry, what part of this is any less provocative? What part of this gives Israel any less reason to secure its safety? None.

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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by MetalGear View Post
    Sorry, what part of this is any less provocative? What part of this gives Israel any less reason to secure its safety? None.
    The fact it was in Palestinian territory

    Using your logic the Palestinians are justified on any attack they do on Israel in order to secure their safety
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