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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by MetalGear View Post
    Yes, but not when the intent is to blow up a breach in a wall the other side built. Clearly the intent was to breach it, naturally, when Israeli soldiers saw the terrorists blow it up, the thought process wasn't "oh OK, its on there side of the boarder", the thought process was most probably more like "they are trying to do something fishy", so engaging them was a perfectly fine response. It was pure provocation.



    Blowing it up, equally, is an act of war and an aggressive act.
    Where does the article say the explosives were set off?

    Placing mines on your side of a boarder is perfectly acceptable

    The US can place all the mines it wants to along the Canadian boarder and Canada has the right to complain, but not attack the US over it. Israel has the right to place all the mines it wants to along the Gaza boarder and the Palestinians have all the right to place mines along the Gaza boarder it wants.

    All as long as they are placed on their respective sides of the boarder
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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Where does the article say the explosives were set off?

    Placing mines on your side of a boarder is perfectly acceptable

    The US can place all the mines it wants to along the Canadian boarder and Canada has the right to complain, but not attack the US over it. Israel has the right to place all the mines it wants to along the Gaza boarder and the Palestinians have all the right to place mines along the Gaza boarder it wants.

    All as long as they are placed on their respective sides of the boarder
    Gazan militants try to breach the Israeli-Gazan border on a daily basis.

    It cannot be compared to the Canada-US border, and comparing it anyhow is simply showing that the one doing the comparison has no basic understanding of the situation.
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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Where does the article say the explosives were set off?

    Placing mines on your side of a boarder is perfectly acceptable
    I corrected myself, look back at my post.

    Do you actually think placing mines near the boarder is ok? You dont see that as a provocation? Really?

    The US can place all the mines it wants to along the Canadian boarder and Canada has the right to complain, but not attack the US over it. Israel has the right to place all the mines it wants to along the Gaza boarder and the Palestinians have all the right to place mines along the Gaza boarder it wants.
    The IDF didnt attack them until Hamas attempted to kidnap a soldier. The US in this case is clearly provocating Canada. As a result, Canada would have the right to neutralize the targets especially if she believed those targets posed a threat to the nation...in this instance there is more of an excuse because Hamas is also a terrorist faction.

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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Even if the article didn't(and it did happen), your assumption that the militants need to cross the border and place the explosives on the Israeli side before the Israeli defense forces can react is simply ridiculous and has no logic to back it.


    IDF officer, soldier killed in Gaza clashes - Israel News, Ynetnews
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    As the soldiers arrived at the border fence, they noticed the Palestinians planting the devices several dozens of meters from the fence. The soldiers opened fire at the Palestinians, while crossing the fence into Palestinians territory.



    During the chase, one of the devices exploded, and gunshots were simultaneously fired at the force. The two soldiers were killed during the clashes. Two others were injured and evacuated to Soroka Medical Center in Beersheba, after suffering from shrapnel injuries. One of the soldiers sustained moderate-serious injures from shrapnel in his chest, the other soldier was lightly injured from shrapnel in his leg.
    Gee placing explosives several dozens of meters away from the fence in Palestinian territory is such a provocation.

    And the devices exploded AFTER Israeli forces crossed into Palestinian territory.
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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by MetalGear View Post
    I corrected myself, look back at my post.

    Do you actually think placing mines near the boarder is ok? You dont see that as a provocation? Really?



    The IDF didnt attack them until Hamas attempted to kidnap a soldier. The US in this case is clearly provocating Canada. As a result, Canada would have the right to neutralize the targets especially if she believed those targets posed a threat to the nation...in this instance there is more of an excuse because Hamas is also a terrorist faction.
    As long as the mines are in US territory it is perfectly fine.

    It will have no effect on any Canadian not trying to cross into the US illegally. The US would be within its rights to kill anyone crossing its boarder illegally, and as such not a provocation to Canada

    If the US placed the mines in Canadian territory now that is a provocation as it crossed into Canadian territory, and Canada should (not that it could) wipe out the forces that crossed into Canadian territory
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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Placing mines on your side of a boarder is perfectly acceptable.
    Nowhere did it state that mines were being placed. It said explosives. On the border, I imagine such explosives would constitute either breaching charges or an IED type device being planted to kill/injure IDF soldiers as they pass by on patrol. Remote detonation. It would be negligent of IDF soldiers to not investigate the nature and potential of materials being planted in their proximity.

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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    I figure since Obama showed Isreal that they have no friend in the USA the Peace Process can finally move forward. No more pansy hand holding meetings on the false belief hamas is a willing partner to peace.
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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Nowhere did it state that mines were being placed. It said explosives. On the border, I imagine such explosives would constitute either breaching charges or an IED type device being planted to kill/injure IDF soldiers as they pass by on patrol. Remote detonation. It would be negligent of IDF soldiers to not investigate the nature and potential of materials being planted in their proximity.
    Read the Ynet news article posted by Apocalypse

    The explosives were being placed several dozens of meters away from the fence in Palestinian territory.

    There is no way explosives placed several dozens of meters away from the fence would be able to kill Israeli patrols on the Israeli side of the fence


    Lets not forget that Ynet news is not a pro Palestinian news source. Everything in that article points to no provocation for Israel to cross into Palestinian territory for this particular incident.
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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Read the Ynet news article posted by Apocalypse

    The explosives were being placed several dozens of meters away from the fence in Palestinian territory.

    There is no way explosives placed several dozens of meters away from the fence would be able to kill Israeli patrols on the Israeli side of the fence
    You've obviously never seen an IED with daisy-chained artillery shells blow.

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    Re: Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    You've obviously never seen an IED with daisy-chained artillery shells blow.
    Read the article
    SEVERAL DOZEN meters in Palestinian territory

    Meaning the only way Israeli forces could be affected is if they cross into Palestinian territory
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