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    Re: Charges reduced in phone caper at senator's office

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    It's a plea bargain! They happen in every single case! It's what defense attorneys do; they get the DAs to reduce the charge in exchange for a guilty plea.

    Did some of you miss the "guilty" part?

    Good grief.
    I never said he wasn't guilty of something. Try reading carefully.

    I said his actions never amounted to the felony he was charged with. And I was right.
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    Re: Charges reduced in phone caper at senator's office

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    He didn't have to. They dropped them remember?
    Either you didn't read the article, ignored it willfully, didn't understand it, or have no idea how the system works. Here, try again:

    The new charges are contained in a bill of information, which can only be filed with a defendant's consent and typically signals a plea deal.

    There is absolutely no reason for a prosecutor to suddenly drop charges.

    And when a plea deal is announced at the exact same time, and where the announcement includes a statement pointing out that this is done because of a plea agreement, I think the proper conclusion is (I know -- this is tough, but try to follow me here) there was a plea agreement.

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    Re: Charges reduced in phone caper at senator's office

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Were you there? Or are you just going on ACORN's statements, sorry, but I trust an independent journalist more than a corrupt community organization ATM.

    The individual to to whom you refer, is neither independent, nor a credible journalist. Acorn has been found not guilty of any unlawful actions, unlike Mr "independent journalist"
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    Re: Charges reduced in phone caper at senator's office

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I trust the full transcript from said "independent journalist."

    And the police who reviewed it with the same conclusion that I reached.



    I've been over this a thousand times already, so I'll summarize:

    1) Pimp never dressed as a pimp in the ACORN offices. He went in in slacks and a tie or something

    2) Pimp was actually presented as the girl's boyfriend, not her pimp.

    3) The house they were trying to get a loan for was actually presented as an escape from prostitution (and an abusive pimp), both for the girl and for the underage girls talked about later. An escape from child prostitution, not a haven for it.

    4) Tax lady did not help the girl evade taxes, she in fact explicitly advised her to always declare income from any source. Even an illegal source. (the IRS is not tasked with investigating or prosecuting the sex trade)

    5) The segments of video that showed the above were all edited out of the released video
    Then you wouldn't mind sourcing it I suppose.
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    Re: Charges reduced in phone caper at senator's office

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Is that why you cut off the part where I quoted you?
    No, that's the part where you quoted Deuce and I pointed out you were confused.
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    Re: Charges reduced in phone caper at senator's office

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The individual to to whom you refer, is neither independent, nor a credible journalist. Acorn has been found not guilty of any unlawful actions, unlike Mr "independent journalist"
    Mr. Independent journalist had damning video, because he wasn't acting as a law enforcement official and the video was obtained without a warrant it would not be admissable as evidence. However ACORN was guilty as sin....but appeal to the court is fine when the results go your way isn't it.

    EDIT- BTW, I went to college for broadcasting which also involves a journalism aspect, there is no credibility test for journalism, if there were quite a few "credible" journalists would be flipping burgers right now.
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    Re: Charges reduced in phone caper at senator's office

    It turns out more and more that some people either don't or can't read and comprehend, and thus get confused.

    Plea bargains are not offered if a solid case for the prosecution exists, and there is no way the Federal prosecutors file reduced charges against O'Keefe after what he and his partner took down Obama's pals at ACORN if they had a bigger case.

    We have seen Obama pals in the past get a pass in the past so it's no stretch to believe Obama would want to make sure the book was thrown at these four knuckle heads who didn't think there little caper through.

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    Re: Charges reduced in phone caper at senator's office

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post

    Plea bargains are not offered if a solid case for the prosecution exists, and there is no way the Federal prosecutors file reduced charges against O'Keefe after what he and his partner took down Obama's pals at ACORN if they had a bigger case.
    And no defense attorney would accept a plea bargain if there wasn't a solid case.

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    Re: Charges reduced in phone caper at senator's office

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Is that why you cut off the part where I quoted you?



    All speculation on your part.



    He didn't have to. They dropped them remember?
    Surely you must have some inside information we lack. Enlighten us!
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    Re: Charges reduced in phone caper at senator's office

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Surely you must have some inside information we lack. Enlighten us!
    Having problems providing that link I requested or just incapable?
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