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    Re: Binyamin Netanyahu humiliated after Barack Obama 'dumped him for dinner'

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    Dar al-Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    But still about Original at it's echo site Statemaster encyclopedia:
    http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Dar-al_Islam

    Divisions of the world in Islam

    In Islamic theology and legal interpretations, the Ultimate aim of Islam is to bring the whole World under the Dominion of Islam.

    Accordingly each part of the world is given a descriptive status to delineate its Current state in regards to the Aims of Islam and to define the permissible conduct of Muslims in those regions.

    Dar al-Islam
    Dar al-Islam (Arabic: دار الإسلام literally house of Submission)
    is a term used to refer to those lands under Muslim government(s).
    In the conservative tradition of Islam the world is divided into two components: dar al-Islam, the house of submission and dar al-Harb, the house of war.
    [...........]
    Dar al-Harb
    Dar al-Harb (Arabic: دار الحرب "house of war") is a term used to refer to those areas outside Muslim rule.
    The term traditionally refers to those lands administered by non-Muslim governments. The exact definitions of these territories can vary widely according to the viewer's concept of who is and is not a Muslim, and which governments are or are not Muslim in practice. The inhabitants of the Dar al-Harb are called harbis.
    [...........]
    Dar al-Hudna
    Dar al Hudna (Arabic: "house of calm"):The land of non-believers currently under truce which is in Respite between Wars.
    Truce is bought by tribute by harbis. If the harbis Refuse to pay Tribute in exchange for the Truce, hostilities are resumed. Furthermore, only treaties that conform to Islamic prescriptions are valid; if these conditions are not fulfilled the treaty is worthless.

    Dar al-'Ahd
    Dar al-'Ahd (Arabic: دار العهد "house of truce" or Dar al-Sulh "house of treaty") was invented to describe the Ottoman Empire's relationship with its Christian tributary states. The invention Dar al-Ahd was necessary, as the worldview prevalent at the time did not allow for a protracted peace with non-Muslim states, even those under Muslim domination.

    Today, the term refers to those non-Muslim governments which have armistice or peace agreements with Muslim governments. The actual status of the non-Muslim country in question may vary from acknowledged equality to tributary states.

    Dar al-Kufr
    Dar al-Kufr (Arabic: دار الكفر, "house of infidels" or "domain of disbelief")
    is a term used by Muhammad to refer to the Quraish-dominated society of Mecca between his flight to Medina (the Hijra) and his triumphant return.

    For much of Islamic history, the preferred term used to describe non-Islamic societies has been dar al-Harb, emphasizing various Islamic countries' aspirations to Conquer such territories and render them part of dar al-Islam.

    A traditional Arabic saying attributed to Muhammad goes: "Unbelief is one community", or in other words, "infidels are of one nation", expressing the view that distinctions between different types of non-Muslims are insignificant in relation to the overriding distinction between Muslim and non-Muslim...."
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    Re: Binyamin Netanyahu humiliated after Barack Obama 'dumped him for dinner'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Accoridng to someone as clueless as you are on this issue thats not much of a problem.
    This coming from a person who spent hours debating a point that was already refuted from the same source article? I have a Bachelor's in Near and Middle East Studies from University of Houston. I think it is safe to say I know far more on this subject than you will ever know.

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Another lie. Take a look at the timeline again.
    I am talking about pre-Rashidun conquest of the Levant. Christian oppression of Jews, pagans, and other minority Christian groups in the Byzantine Empire significantly outweighs so called 'Islamic aggression' that liberated these groups.

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    HAHHAHA if you ignore the rape and pillaging of 400 years of Muslim aggression from Iran to Spain that might be relevant.
    Great deflection Batman!
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    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Again ignoring the 400 years of Muslim rape and pillaging.

    You would do anything rather than address that wouldn't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Lets see the source on that one.
    Persecution of Jews in the First Crusade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Our Hands Are Stained with Blood: The Tragic Story of the "Church" and the Jewish People by Michael Brown
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_the_Crusades]History of the Jews and the Crusades - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    When you are ready to actually debate the 400 years of rape and pillaging by Muslims and acknowledge it, let me know.
    Why would I address a logical fallacy? That's like me asking you to address the massacre of Jews and Muslims by Christians in Jerusalem after the First Crusade so that we can continue discussing the topic we were already conferring about.

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    Re: Binyamin Netanyahu humiliated after Barack Obama 'dumped him for dinner'

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    The "Islamic Empire" depicted on those maps is a geographic conception of certain Western historians,
    Right and the dynasties which ruled over them and acquired that territory through warfare are just figments of our collective imagination.

    based on an understanding of Islamic civilization as solely religious comformity. The continunity envisioned by those maps only shows how far Islam was practiced in a cross-continental sense, not its military, national, cultural, or economic divisions. The map is a meaningful representation, but it does not suggest the kind of unity it takes to have a single, functional, geo-political force.
    WTF are you talking about? Those are territorial empires headed by succeeding caliphate dynasties. Good god read a history book.

    Also, your phrase "roughly the same territory" seems to assert the authority of Caliphs over different countries overlaps, that different Caliphs rule the same areas. It's a bad way of describing the divison of territories.
    Um those different caliphates occurred at different points in history. Get educated, you still seem to be thinking in terms of the nation-states fyi sport the nation-state didn't evolve as a concept until the late 18th/early 19th century, prior to that what consisted were multi-ethnic empires or dynastic states united under dynastic lines, empires; such as, the Islamic Caliphates which I have previously listed.

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    Re: Binyamin Netanyahu humiliated after Barack Obama 'dumped him for dinner'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    fyi sport the nation-state didn't evolve as a concept until the late 18th/early 19th century, prior to that what consisted were multi-ethnic empires or dynastic states united under dynastic lines,
    FYI - Actually, what we think of as a nation-state system evolved out of the Peace of Westphalia in 1648.
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    Re: Binyamin Netanyahu humiliated after Barack Obama 'dumped him for dinner'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Historical ignorance at work. You do know that Pope Urban called for the firt Crusade as a DIRECT result of a plea made to him by the emperor of the Roman Empire in Constantinople to help against the advances of the Seljuq Empire through Anatolia, right?
    Yes, I'm sure there was much hand wringing and nashing teeth over the decision.

    So please tell us all about how meek christianity was for the 600 years prior to the founding of Islam. I'm sure there was no imperialism involved.

    What about the 2nd through 8th crusades?

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    Re: Binyamin Netanyahu humiliated after Barack Obama 'dumped him for dinner'

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Yes, I'm sure there was much hand wringing and nashing teeth over the decision.

    So please tell us all about how meek christianity was for the 600 years prior to the founding of Islam. I'm sure there was no imperialism involved.

    What about the 2nd through 8th crusades?
    Christianity was spread primarily peacefully prior to the Islamic offensive in many cases under significant persecution. Several states that had adopted Christianity did NOT do so through conquest, but through voluntarily conversion - for example Armenia, Aksum and later the Roman Empire itself.
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    Re: Binyamin Netanyahu humiliated after Barack Obama 'dumped him for dinner'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Christianity was spread primarily peacefully prior to the Islamic offensive in many cases under significant persecution. Several states that had adopted Christianity did NOT do so through conquest, but through voluntarily conversion - for example Armenia, Aksum and later the Roman Empire itself.
    I see, so in your version of history there was never a christian "convert or die" campaign across Europe. Got it. Oh and you forgot to mention those other 6 crusades.

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    Re: Binyamin Netanyahu humiliated after Barack Obama 'dumped him for dinner'

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    I see, so in your version of history there was never a christian "convert or die" campaign across Europe. Got it. Oh and you forgot to mention those other 6 crusades.
    As an atheist I dislike Christianity as well, however, to be historically accurate things; such as, the persecution felt under the Spanish Inquisition were far less severe than parallel examples in the Muslim world; such as, the genocide of Buddhists and Hindus in the Indian subcontinent number easily into the tens of millions of slaughtered.

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    Re: Binyamin Netanyahu humiliated after Barack Obama 'dumped him for dinner'

    no wonder 337 congress members signed a letter criticizing obama's blatant backhand to bibi

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...-89362967.html

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    Re: Binyamin Netanyahu humiliated after Barack Obama 'dumped him for dinner'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    As an atheist I dislike Christianity as well, however, to be historically accurate things; such as, the persecution felt under the Spanish Inquisition were far less severe than parallel examples in the Muslim world; such as, the genocide of Buddhists and Hindus in the Indian subcontinent number easily into the tens of millions of slaughtered.
    So then what we are talking about seems to be, which religion has been more cruel and killed more people? How many have to die before we stop counting and say it's all too much?

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