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    Re: Binyamin Netanyahu humiliated after Barack Obama 'dumped him for dinner'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    There were numerous UN resolutions that provided support for that invasion. You compare apples and oranges much?
    Just as there were numerous bodies of people who welcomed the Muslim invaders over the oppressive Christian empire. Does that somehow give it more legitimacy.

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    Relevance being?
    Relevance being that you were disputing the historicity of this man.

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    Relevance being?
    Relevance being these were groups oppressed by your precious Christian empire.

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    Not hypocrisy. The Levant became Christian now due to invasion, but to mostly to voluntary conversion in an empire that was once very hostile to the religion.
    Voluntary conversion?

    Even when the Roman Empire became Christian, the majority of the Levant was "Jews and heathens" (according to the Christian monk, Bar-Sawma).
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    It was only later that the Roman Empire became Christian and it was the then-Christian Roman Empire that the Arabs attacked.
    And liberated all the non-Christian groups that were oppressed in the region.
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    I guess by your definition, the invasion of the Aztec Empire by the Spaniards wasn't aggression either.
    Who likes to compare what to what now?


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    Re: Binyamin Netanyahu humiliated after Barack Obama 'dumped him for dinner'

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Just as there were numerous bodies of people who welcomed the Muslim invaders over the oppressive Christian empire. Does that somehow give it more legitimacy.
    No. Ever heard of state sovereignty?

    Relevance being that you were disputing the historicity of this man.
    His relevance to denying that it was Muslim aggression would be?

    Relevance being these were groups oppressed by your precious Christian empire.
    And this somehow chances the fact that it was Islamic aggression?

    Voluntary conversion?

    Even when the Roman Empire became Christian, the majority of the Levant was "Jews and heathens" (according to the Christian monk, Bar-Sawma).
    Relying on the word of someone who lived in the twelth century?

    And liberated all the non-Christian groups that were oppressed in the region.
    And resulting in the oppression of Christian groups. Still doesn't deny the fact that it was aggression.

    Who likes to compare what to what now?
    Because according to your logic, it isn't aggression because there were people who supported the invaders. Well, the groups who were being brutally oppressed (in FAR worse a fashion than anyone was oppressed by the Roman Empire in the 7th century) worked together with the Spaniards to bring down the Aztecs.
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    Re: Binyamin Netanyahu humiliated after Barack Obama 'dumped him for dinner'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    No. Ever heard of state sovereignty?
    I have, but you display hypocrisy when you call it Christian lands, knowing full well that those lands were predominantly non-Christian until the Byzantine Empire became Christian and started persecuting everyone else. It's pathetic and disingenuous.


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    His relevance to denying that it was Muslim aggression would be?
    Oh, Julian was a Muslim now?

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    And this somehow chances the fact that it was Islamic aggression?
    By your logic, Iraq has every right to execute a retaliatory strike on America for their "aggression". Same with the Vietnamese. Oh, and don't mind the time frame, the 'response' can come hundreds of years later.


    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Relying on the word of someone who lived in the twelth century?
    Apparently you don't even know who Bar-Sawma is. He was born in Samosata and lived in Palestine during the 5th century.


    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    And resulting in the oppression of Christian groups. Still doesn't deny the fact that it was aggression.
    The oppression of which Christian groups? The Nestorians, a Christian group that was persecuted by your precious Christian Roman Empire? No, the Nestorians expanded the most in their history under Islamic rule.


    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Because according to your logic, it isn't aggression because there were people who supported the invaders. Well, the groups who were being brutally oppressed (in FAR worse a fashion than anyone was oppressed by the Roman Empire in the 7th century) worked together with the Spaniards to bring down the Aztecs.
    That is your logic. I asked you if you consider the invasion of Iraq to be aggression and you went on a tangent while saying an irrelevant body (the UN) approved of the invasion. So what if the UN 'approves' of something. State sovereignty has no meaning when we talk about the United Nations?

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    Re: Binyamin Netanyahu humiliated after Barack Obama 'dumped him for dinner'

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    I have, but you display hypocrisy when you call it Christian lands, knowing full well that those lands were predominantly non-Christian until the Byzantine Empire became Christian and started persecuting everyone else. It's pathetic and disingenuous.
    No, I don't. I have claimed Arab Muslim aggression, something that you have NOT been able to disprove. This region had been part of the Roman empire for more than six centuries prior to Arab Muslim aggression.

    Oh, Julian was a Muslim now?
    Did I ever say he was? Who came to rule Spain for hundreds of years and why did it take a five-hundred-year Reconquista to get rid of them if it wasn't aggression.

    By your logic, Iraq has every right to execute a retaliatory strike on America for their "aggression". Same with the Vietnamese. Oh, and don't mind the time frame, the 'response' can come hundreds of years later.
    Like to keep up with apples vs. oranges? There was no U.S. aggression. There was legal sanction for BOTH U.S.-led invasions. You can't compare international law today with the reality 14 centuries ago.

    Apparently you don't even know who Bar-Sawma is. He was born in Samosata and lived in Palestine during the 5th century.
    A more polite response on your part would have been "you don't know which Bar-Sawma I am refering to because the one I am referring to lived in Palestine during the 5th century." Obviously, notions of politeness in debate are lost on you and the reason that this will be the last time I response to you in this thread. BTW, this is still not relevant to the fact that Arab Muslims committed an action of aggression on the Roman Empire.


    That is your logic. I asked you if you consider the invasion of Iraq to be aggression and you went on a tangent while saying an irrelevant body (the UN) approved of the invasion. So what if the UN 'approves' of something. State sovereignty has no meaning when we talk about the United Nations?
    It isn't a "tangant", there was legitimate UN backing for it. State sovereignty is NOT the same today as it was in the 7th century. Iraq was a member of the United Nations, it repeatedly violated international law, and that organization which was legally authorized to enforce security passed multiple resolutions against it, all with the legal recourse to the use of force.

    Notice how you have dropped your rediculous challenge to the Aztec comparison.

    Now, since you have already shown you can't show mutual respect in a discussion with your reaction above, this will be my final response to you. I just find it disgusting that you would go to such lengths to justify and defend THIRTEEN CENTURIES of Muslim aggression against the Christian world.
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    Re: Binyamin Netanyahu humiliated after Barack Obama 'dumped him for dinner'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Are you Muslim and/or far left because only those two groups are stupid enough to keep using the Crusaders line.

    I got news for you little buddy. As ludahai has stated to you, your apologist attitude for 400 years of rape and pillaging of Christian and Muslim cities before the first Crusade and your excuses for modern day Muslim terrorists don't help your persona.
    Is the Shrub a Muslim or far left? Not to mention that your first sentence is a logical fallacy. FAIL

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    Re: Binyamin Netanyahu humiliated after Barack Obama 'dumped him for dinner'

    Obama seemingly has no respect for our allies. I think he wants to snub Israel to gain better relations with Arab countries.

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    Re: Binyamin Netanyahu humiliated after Barack Obama 'dumped him for dinner'

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Is the Shrub a Muslim or far left? Not to mention that your first sentence is a logical fallacy. FAIL
    It's ok to call President George W. Bush "Shrub" but it isn't ok to refer to President Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. by his legal middle name? Something is not right with this.
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    Re: Binyamin Netanyahu humiliated after Barack Obama 'dumped him for dinner'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    It's ok to call President George W. Bush "Shrub" but it isn't ok to refer to President Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. by his legal middle name? Something is not right with this.
    Please link to me stating that it isn't OK to refer to the President, Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., by his legal middle name.

    Then try and figure out why ONLY the anti-Obama people find it necessary to use his middle name. Let us know when you think you have the answer.

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    Re: Binyamin Netanyahu humiliated after Barack Obama 'dumped him for dinner'

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Is the Shrub a Muslim or far left? Not to mention that your first sentence is a logical fallacy. FAIL
    Don't use big words you don't understand. It is absolutely true Muslims and far left apologists do use the Crusaders argument far more often than any other 2 groups so your claim is patently false.
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    Re: Binyamin Netanyahu humiliated after Barack Obama 'dumped him for dinner'

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Please link to me stating that it isn't OK to refer to the President, Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., by his legal middle name.

    Then try and figure out why ONLY the anti-Obama people find it necessary to use his middle name. Let us know when you think you have the answer.
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