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Castro cheers passage of Obama's health care bill a 'miracal'

For those who keep saying this administration isn't Socialist and certain posters don't know what socialism truly is.....define it for us. What is socialism and how is it different from the Obama administration?

socialism is the ownership of the means of production by the government.
 
From the Associated Press, Cuban leader applauds US health-care reform bill. Here's a snippet of what the story covers.

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You honestly believe that this sort of crapola is going to reverse the huge losses the Republican party has suffered from listening to the lunatic fringe on the hard right?

Really?

Interesting.

Btw friend, watching Glen Beck will indeed, rot your brain.
 
Because the far-righties will now use this statement to claim that the bill is communist, socialist, fascist Government takeover...blah, blah...
It's a fact, deal with it.
 
Castro is proud of Obama for moving the United States in this direction. :bravo:

NeoNazis invading the Conservative movement were proud that Conservatives are for individual freedom and less welfare, but that doesn't make Conservatives Nazis. In fact, Conservatives are patriotic Americans who deplore those who are anti American, such as NeoNazis. By the same token, Liberals are not anti American either. They don't support Communist dictators. To suggest otherwise opens the door to Conservatives being called Nazis. And then, it is nothing more than a lot of BS, back and forth, with no dialog other than hyperpartisans throwing monkey poo at each other.
 
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NeoNazis invading the Conservative movement were proud that Conservatives are for individual freedom and less welfare, but that doesn't make Conservatives Nazis. In fact, Conservatives are patriotic Americans who deplore those who aren't. By the same token, Liberals are not anti American either. They don't support Communist dictators. To suggest otherwise opens the door to Conservatives being called Nazis. And then, it a lot of BS, back and forth, with no dialog other than hyperpartisans throwing monkey poo at each other.

When did "Give me Liberty ...Not debt!" become an extremist ideology? Last I checked, freedom is about as pro-American as it gets. But I do see your point.
 
When did "Give me Liberty ...Not debt!" become an extremist ideology? Last I checked, freedom is about as pro-American as it gets. But I do see your point.

It never has, but here is my problem. When I criticized Bush for spending, I was called every name in the book, including fake Conservative, anti American, and what have you. The same people who Bash Obama now? Where were they when Bush was in power?

BTW, you get a thanks from me for seeing my point. Kudos.
 
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It never has, but here is my problem. When I criticized Bush for spending, I was called every name in the book, including fake Conservative, anti American, and what have you. The same people who Bash Obama now? Where were they when Bush was in power?

BTW, you get a thanks from me for seeing my point. Kudos.

I for one was not here... I was on the phone screaming at Saxby's handlers. some others raising Cain would be the Dark One- Hannity, the Whiner G Beck... as was my best fishing buddy... and my sister.. as a matter of fact I don't know any conservatives personally who thought it was acceptable.
 
When did "Give me Liberty ...Not debt!" become an extremist ideology? Last I checked, freedom is about as pro-American as it gets. But I do see your point.

And anyone and everyone should have the freedom to support Insurance Financinf reform and not get death threats, called a baby killer, and have weapons discharged at them RIGHT !!!!!!! Freedom from domestic terrorism is an American right at least before the Tea Party got into the fight!!!
 
I for one was not here... I was on the phone screaming at Saxby's handlers. some others raising Cain would be the Dark One- Hannity, the Whiner G Beck... as was my best fishing buddy... and my sister.. as a matter of fact I don't know any conservatives personally who thought it was acceptable.

No you weren't here, but feel free to ask any old timer about attacks on me for criticizing Bush. There were a lot of them, and they were crazy attacks too. They kept telling me what an asswipe I was for not supporting the president. Of course, some of them (and I won't name names here) are now refusing to support Obama, which is cool with me. We are on the same side now, but we were real enemies back then. This is why I say much of this is political, and pretty much only political.

One thing I can say is that I have earned the right to bash Obama, because I have been consistent on the issues, especially on spending, sparing no one, Democratic or Republican.
 
It never has, but here is my problem. When I criticized Bush for spending, I was called every name in the book, including fake Conservative, anti American, and what have you. The same people who Bash Obama now? Where were they when Bush was in power?

BTW, you get a thanks from me for seeing my point. Kudos.

Would you consider yourself a libertarian conservative, then?

What's interesting to me, and this might explain a little about why you received flak (at first) from conservatives for ripping on Bush's spending, isn't Bush a "progressive" Republican? I didn't really know that progressives had infiltrated both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party until Glenn Beck brought it up during one of his many informative segments.

Glenn Beck shares the same notion that Bush was spending far too much to be a real conservative. Late into Bush's second term, before I noticed it was out of control, Republican friends of mine began getting upset over the debt he was creating. For some reason I didn't 'see the light' until Bush signed a $700 billion check over to Wall Street, which I discussed in more detail here. At that point I realized that he started something that would be multiplied infinitely if a Democrat were voted into office: that part also came true.

So, from what I take after you mentioned the problems Bush started and Obama continued, the fact that the Democrats have raised the debt limit by $3 trillion in only one years of Obama's presidency probably scares you too. Our country is in such a bad debt crisis, at some point or another it will explode. And then.... and then I dunno what happens, but I do know it won't be good. Especially if Democrats are still running wild in this country like they own it.
 
wow that is a circular falcse logic loop ! lol

No its called reality.

Are you really that out of lunch you don't think someone who leads a government system can recognize a bill in another country with similar principles to their own government?
 
John Wayne Gacy killed a lot of little boys, and he also happened to be a Republican. Should we now assume that Republicans support what John Wayne Gacy did? Hmmm?





Bro,

1. you stole this schtick from the Greatness that is the Good Reverend....


2., gacey was a democrat.



JOHN WAYNE GACY -- THE CLOWN THAT KILLED






FACE YOU!!!!!!!! :2razz:
 
Yep, tea baggers.

Huh??? Do you know what "tea bagging" or "tea baggers" is a reference to? It's when someone dips their ball sack (testicles) into another persons mouth while they are sleeping...

Why would you call the Tea Party group a bunch of "tea baggers?" Not only is that the most uncivil way to make an argument, but it's clearly intended only for the purpose of insulting those you disagree with.

Note: My intent in defining Jetboogieman's insult is to clarify to administrators that these type of attacks should not be acceptable in this forum. I've received warnings for some far less insulting comments/pictures added to this forum, so I expect the warnings to be bi-partisan.
 
Would you consider yourself a libertarian conservative, then?

What's interesting to me, and this might explain a little about why you received flak (at first) from conservatives for ripping on Bush's spending, isn't Bush a "progressive" Republican? I didn't really know that progressives had infiltrated both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party until Glenn Beck brought it up during one of his many informative segments.

Glenn Beck shares the same notion that Bush was spending far too much to be a real conservative. Late into Bush's second term, before I noticed it was out of control, Republican friends of mine began getting upset over the debt he was creating. For some reason I didn't 'see the light' until Bush signed a $700 billion check over to Wall Street, which I discussed in more detail here. At that point I realized that he started something that would be multiplied infinitely if a Democrat were voted into office: that part also came true.

So, from what I take after you mentioned the problems Bush started and Obama continued, the fact that the Democrats have raised the debt limit by $3 trillion in only one years of Obama's presidency probably scares you too. Our country is in such a bad debt crisis, at some point or another it will explode. And then.... and then I dunno what happens, but I do know it won't be good. Especially if Democrats are still running wild in this country like they own it.

I do have a Libertarian bent, but I am mostly Conservative, and yes, Obama's spending is unsettling me. But Bush gave Obama the shoes to step into. For instance, on the health care monstrosity that was just passed, Bush provided Obama the shoes to step into for that with his own half trillion dollar package when he was in office.

Now about Glen Beck and others like him? Yes, he did criticize Bush, but that is countered by his support of birthers, deathers, those who screamed "pulling the plug on grandma" and the others. It drove people away, rather than garner support. His antics might be good for the base, but without independents, we are screwed. I personally blame him and others for throwing the monkey poo here, so that the real message about spending was lost in all that white noise. Yes, I fault the Democrats for passing this monstrosity, but Beck and his ilk can take credit too, for being so irresponsible in their arguments against Obama. Not only is Beck driving independents away, but his blathering is also energizing the Democrats. Waterloo? Yes, there may be one, and it may be ours.

One more point? Whatever happened to Republican party, after Reagan left office? Reagan was able to hold all Conservative factions together. Not only that, but he was also able to reach across the aisle and reel in Democrats for important votes. Did you know that, frequently, at the end of the day, he and Tip O'Neill would drink a beer together? Did you know that they became good friends? Did you know that, despite being against Reagan on many issues, a few Liberals actually voted for Reagan measures at the end of the day because Reagan was willing to talk to them? Under Reagan, America was mostly united. Today, talking heads like Rush and Beck are driving Americans apart. I will tell you right now that there will never be another Ronald Reagan, but all I am asking for is someone who can do just a fraction of what Reagan was able to accomplish.
 
wow that is a circular falcse logic loop ! lol

Actually it's neither circular logic nor false logic as there's no such thing as "false logic" per se, but maybe you were thinking "false analogy"? It's not that either.

It's simply a saying.
 
Huh??? Do you know what "tea bagging" or "tea baggers" is a reference to? It's when someone dips their ball sack (testicles) into another persons mouth while they are sleeping...

Why would you call the Tea Party group a bunch of "tea baggers?" Not only is that the most uncivil way to make an argument, but it's clearly intended only for the purpose of insulting those you disagree with.

Note: My intent in defining Jetboogieman's insult is to clarify to administrators that these type of attacks should not be acceptable in this forum. I've received warnings for some far less insulting comments/pictures added to this forum, so I expect the warnings to be bi-partisan.

It was just athis week that I was informed that the term "tea baggers" is in refernce to this "sexual practice". I do not even want to google the term becasue if "tea baggers" or tea bagging is the activity of perverts I do not want any history of even googling such a term.

Now I did hear a talk show host say teas baggers the other day and he said real quickly "or what ever they call thmselves" so the term "tea baggers" appaeared to be used interchangebly with Tea PARTIERS.

Is this exclusively a homosexual practice ? Maybe that is why I never heard of it ? Even if hetrosexual perform that it can be considered off the edge. Is this something that people under 30 do ? I am way over 30 so I did not know about it.

Now if most of us did not know that this was an insulting term and heard it being used then we were not using it in an insulting way.

For example I also found out a few months ago that there is a filthy definition asnd use for the term "fish sticks". I thought fish sticks were the crap fish stuff they served for high school lunch on Fridays. Then lately I heard an ad for frozen fish sticks . So what gives is fish sticks a filthy word or just bad lunch???
 
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