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    Re: House GOP No. 2: Someone shot at my office

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    in some regions I'm absolutely sure that's possible, but the overall point is that most of the country is on record as hating this bill.
    I've already thoroughly explained that a simple majority nationwide DOES NOT MATTER. We have a representative democracy.

    Furthermore, there are almost as many people who don't think the bill went far enough as those who feel it goes too far. Please stop exaggerating.

    Just because Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck have been shedding tears for the past two weeks over this doesn't mean that generally thoughtful and well-adjusted posters on here get to lose their got-damn minds.
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    Re: House GOP No. 2: Someone shot at my office

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The average person in my neck of the woods who voted for a democrat (the majority in my county) knew they were voting for healthcare reform. In fact, in local polling, that was one of the big local issues.



    They were voting "for health care reform", but were they voting for the specific bill? "Reform" is extremely general.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    True. However, I'd suggest to you that most of the Democratic representatives who voted for this legislation not only conducted local polls, but also received local feedback AND attended, in person, townhall meetings in their area.
    And many (not all) of them obviously ignored what they found. Come on, if the people of Massachussetts didn't like the bill, do you really think that the constituents of every Democrat in Congress do? Many of them were voted in from conservative districts by promising to be bipartisan moderates who listened to the voters. Many of those are soon to be voted out now.


    The issue has been on the Democratic agenda since 1992, and both Clinton and Obama were rather clear and specific about what they hoped to accomplish. If people didn't hear them, exactly whose fault is that?
    Both Clinton and Obama were presidents. Presidents don't pass legislation, Congress does. It's called "separation of powers".


    Well, I tend to believe that we know who we're voting for in advance. That's what campaigning is for. I voted for Obama, and I realized, pretty clearly, that he would probably implement or try to implement something that looked a lot like this bill. If you didn't realize it, whose fault is that?
    The president can only sign or veto legislation. I am talking about Congress, which writes and passes it.

    I wouldn't say that going to war in Iraq was particularly popular.
    You'd be wrong then. Going to war in Iraq was quite popular, and approved in Congress by a large bipartisan majority.

    Nor was Bush's election in 2000, for that matter.
    Already covered, and not really relevant anyways. Bush is not a bill.

    See what happens when the Democrats attempt to appease the Republicans instead of just doing their jobs?
    Um, that was random. You do realize that Republicans only became popular after this bill was passed, for their opposition of it, right?

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    Re: House GOP No. 2: Someone shot at my office

    it's a lot more than beck

    LOL!

    it's SIXTY PLUS PERCENT of the folks in the KEYSTONE STATE

    do you know the role of PENNSYLVANIA in presidential politics?

    cuz if HARRISBURG goes, you can kiss goodbye any constituency left of, well, chris matthews is a real good face for the home of quaker penn

    and, like i said, PENNSYLVANIA is LEANING red by an HISTORIC and EPIC 15 to 20 points

    i'm not MAKING THIS STUFF UP

    RealClearPolitics - Latest Election Polls

    LOL!

    it's REALLY BAD out there

    the NUMBERS, they're REALLY BAD

    oh well, have fun

    have a party!

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    Re: House GOP No. 2: Someone shot at my office

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Furthermore, there are almost as many people who don't think the bill went far enough as those who feel it goes too far.
    To this I must say:

    Please stop exaggerating.
    The vast majority of people opposed to the bill don't simply think it doesn't go far enough. Not "almost as many people".

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    Re: House GOP No. 2: Someone shot at my office

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I've already thoroughly explained that a simple majority nationwide DOES NOT MATTER. We have a representative democracy.

    Furthermore, there are almost as many people who don't think the bill went far enough as those who feel it goes too far. Please stop exaggerating.

    Just because Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck have been shedding tears for the past two weeks over this doesn't mean that generally thoughtful and well-adjusted posters on here get to lose their got-damn minds.
    Well, then, don't bitch when the people are constantly ignored and ignored and ignored, then out of desperation act irrationally.

    You can only **** over the American people so much before the fit hits the shan. The Liberals in Congress have crossed that line.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: House GOP No. 2: Someone shot at my office

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I've already thoroughly explained that a simple majority nationwide DOES NOT MATTER. We have a representative democracy.
    Well, yes. I have never said that the will of the majority matters, however if there is a single question about the legality of a bills substance or it's consequences then you do the exact opposite of what the Democrat party did, you know, jamming it through with no consent at all from the governed.

    Furthermore, there are almost as many people who don't think the bill went far enough as those who feel it goes too far. Please stop exaggerating.
    13% is hardly almost as many people as the ones who said it went too far.

    Just because Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck have been shedding tears for the past two weeks over this doesn't mean that generally thoughtful and well-adjusted posters on here get to lose their got-damn minds.
    Fine, read the bill. I have started to re-read the provisions myself because it pertains to part of my insurance practice.....I'll tell you as a professional it sucks.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: House GOP No. 2: Someone shot at my office

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, then, don't bitch when the people are constantly ignored and ignored and ignored, then out of desperation act irrationally.
    Ignored? They yelled and screamed at every town hall meeting this summer. You couldn't possibly ignore that.

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    Re: House GOP No. 2: Someone shot at my office

    One more thing, and then off to homework. This bill is unprecedented. Even Kansas-Nebraska had some Whig support. Nothing this big and this unpopular has ever been passed on such a partisan vote. So to say that it's just Congress acting as it normally does is false.

    Dav out. (Thread topic? What thread topic?)

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    Re: House GOP No. 2: Someone shot at my office

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    One more thing, and then off to homework. This bill is unprecedented. Even Kansas-Nebraska had some Whig support. Nothing this big and this unpopular has ever been passed on such a partisan vote.
    So many big claims.

    I seriously doubt this is true. I'll have to do a little research.

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    Re: House GOP No. 2: Someone shot at my office

    they jammed it thru against the express will of the people

    remember massachusetts, scott brown, jersey #41

    they only got 80% of their own caucus

    social security, medicare and the voting rights act got between 50 and 80% of republican support

    that's why they're valid and we're all stuck with em

    we understand all your 5th grade civics lessons about fine distinctions between republics and democracies

    read plato's republic, it'll blow your mind, the dude's a totalitarian

    whatever

    the process by which obama as much as DEEMED this thing is DAMNABLE

    and you, the party in power, will have hell to pay for it

    from dixie to the rust belt, from the rockies to the coasts, from the capitals to the capitols, from the states to the courts...

    we weren't ignored, we were DEFIED

    you don't mess with mother america

    she's got a GREAT BIG spatula

    in many parts of the country, she gonna make you go out there and CUT'CHO OWN SWITCH

    and if aint be THICKER than mah THOMB, i's'a comin out there and CUTTIN on ONE MYSEF

    LOL!

    party on, progressives

    but you probably better keep moving...

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