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    Re: Pope failed to defrock U.S. sex abuse priest

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    It's like a hydra...there's so many heads of beauracracy within the church that you can't hold a single person liable for it all.
    But if he had knowledge and covered it up?

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    Re: Pope failed to defrock U.S. sex abuse priest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    But if he had knowledge and covered it up?
    You could hold him liable for what he did cover up. But now what he had no knowledge of, kept tucked away under another office or cardinal's knowledge.

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    Re: Pope failed to defrock U.S. sex abuse priest

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    It's like a hydra...there's so many heads of beauracracy within the church that you can't hold a single person liable for it all yet you can't hold the entire beast liable for any of it.
    I can understand that if he didn't know what was going on. BUT if he did know and was covering it up I imagine that would change the situation. Not knowing and doing nothing is completely different from knowing and doing nothing.

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    Re: Pope failed to defrock U.S. sex abuse priest

    I don't think that the case can be made that he didn't know, or that he didn't cover it up. So he seems both culpable and liable with me.

    In fact, in some instances, based upon the circumstances, he could potentially even be charged as an accessory.

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    Re: Pope failed to defrock U.S. sex abuse priest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I don't think that the case can be made that he didn't know, or that he didn't cover it up. So he seems both culpable and liable with me.

    In fact, in some instances, based upon the circumstances, he could potentially even be charged as an accessory.
    Yeah for the crap he did know about. Of course, he's still protected by the seal of confession, which is absolute and sacred even under US law. He can always invoke the seal and claim he was unable to report because of that.

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    Re: Pope failed to defrock U.S. sex abuse priest

    Yeah for the crap he did know about. Of course, he's still protected by the seal of confession, which is absolute and sacred even under US law. He can always invoke the seal and claim he was unable to report because of that.
    That only applies if the church only learned of Murphy's crimes through confession, which isn't the case.

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    Re: Pope failed to defrock U.S. sex abuse priest

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    That only applies if the church only learned of Murphy's crimes through confession, which isn't the case.
    Do you know that to be a fact? Do you know that he didn't confess to Ratzinger before it came about?

    He can call on the seal of confession to save his own ass and as long as Murphy doesn't argue, there's nothing that can be done about it.

    Plus, I highly doubt anyone is willing to go into the Vatican to take the pope into custody.

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    Re: Pope failed to defrock U.S. sex abuse priest

    Do you know that to be a fact? Do you know that he didn't confess to Ratzinger before it came about?
    There is nothing to suggest the men ever came in personal contact. Furthermore, evidence beyond confession would be available, which isn't covered under penitent-priest privilege.


    He can call on the seal of confession to save his own ass and as long as Murphy doesn't argue, there's nothing that can be done about it.
    It would easy enough to track the physical movements of both men, I doubt Ratzinger happened to be in Wisconsin during the time.

    Plus, I highly doubt anyone is willing to go into the Vatican to take the pope into custody.
    I agree that the pope is untouchable, but that has little bearing on his guilt or innocence. He is hardly the most responsible clergyman anyways, those lower on the totem pole who had direct access to murphy should be the first to face trial.

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    Re: Pope failed to defrock U.S. sex abuse priest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    NYT: Pope failed to defrock sex abuse priest - The New York Times- msnbc.com



    Can Ratzinger save himself, or do you think that he should resign?
    I am ALLMOST ashamed to say that I was brought up as Chatholic and I am completely disgusted with the way the Church has handled the expose, the failures to destroy the bad priests, and the coverup that has obviously taken place for centuries. If Pope Arnold had any oopportunity to defrock, sock, or choke that pervert priest with his smock and failed he should resign.

    So much for the theory of the infalliability of el Popo in matters of the church. Well maybe it was in matters of faith.

    It is time that the leaders of the Catholic Church grow some balls and kick out the pervert priests. Also it is time that the Roman CATHOLIC Church does what it's Eastern and Byzantine Catholic sibling churches do in Europe - allow priests to be married. In that way it will reduce tha homosexual pervert priests who must be 95 % of all the pervert priests in the Church. My God even the Orthodox are smart enough to let their priests marry.
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    Re: Pope failed to defrock U.S. sex abuse priest

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    It would easy enough to track the physical movements of both men, I doubt Ratzinger happened to be in Wisconsin during the time.
    They don't have to be in the same place. Confession can occur over the phone.

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