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    Re: Pope failed to defrock U.S. sex abuse priest

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You can't resign as Pope and you can't be removed from office as pope. The ordination of a new pope is considered to be divinely inspired and therefore perfect and infallible. The pope has to die to leave office. I hope he rots in hell for staining the throne of Peter.
    Are you sure you can't resign? I know you can't be removed, but isn't there precedent for popes leaving office?

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    Re: Pope failed to defrock U.S. sex abuse priest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    NYT: Pope failed to defrock sex abuse priest - The New York Times- msnbc.com



    Can Ratzinger save himself, or do you think that he should resign?
    Him resigning is a long shot. But this is bad news for the Church.

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    Re: Pope failed to defrock U.S. sex abuse priest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Are you sure you can't resign? I know you can't be removed, but isn't there precedent for popes leaving office?
    I can't recall any. It's die or be killed, which is a distinct possibility given the past of the church. Let's just hope a more ambitious cardinal comes along and offs Ratzinger. There's definitely precedent for that.

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    Re: Pope failed to defrock U.S. sex abuse priest

    yay for google:

    Typically when we read about papal resignations, media “experts” tell us that the only pope to ever resign was Celestine V in 1294. This is untrue in many ways: Celestine was not first pope to resign, nor was he the last. Celestine is, however, the pope who created the official procedure by which a pope can resign, so singling him out is somewhat justified.

    The ability of a pope to resign was made official by Pope Boniface VIII who placed by decree into canon law:

    “Our predecessor, Pope Celestine V, whilst he governed the Church, constituted and decreed that the Roman Pontiff can freely resign. Therefore lest it happen that this statute should in the course of time fall into oblivion, or that doubt upon the subject should lead to further disputes, We have determined with the counsel of our brethren that it be placed among other constitutions for a perpetual memory of the same.”
    If a pope wishes to resign today, there are official steps that can be taken. According to the 1963 Code of Canon Law (Canon 332.2), “If it should so happen that the Roman Pontiff resigns his office, it is required for validity that he makes the resignation freely and that it be duly manifested, but not that it be accepted by anyone.”

    What this means is that a pope merely needs to make his desire to resign clearly known and that it cannot be due to outside pressure or fraud, but it isn’t necessary that anyone “accept” his resignation. Ideally the resignation is given to the College of Cardinals, since they elected him in the first place and they can determine if the resignation is submitted freely. Regardless of who’s around, though, once he does it, it’s finalized.
    Papal Resignations: Can a Pope Resign or Be Removed? History of the Papacy

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    Re: Pope failed to defrock U.S. sex abuse priest

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I can't recall any. It's die or be killed, which is a distinct possibility given the past of the church. Let's just hope a more ambitious cardinal comes along and offs Ratzinger. There's definitely precedent for that.
    That would be markedly more entertaining, not to mention karmic.

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    Re: Pope failed to defrock U.S. sex abuse priest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    That's interesting. I still can't recall a single pope who actually resigned beyond that one.

    And I would prefer he resign by poison if he does.

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    Re: Pope failed to defrock U.S. sex abuse priest

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And I would prefer he resign by poison if he does.
    Hopefully something painful.

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    Re: Pope failed to defrock U.S. sex abuse priest

    I care less about putting the popes head on a pike than I do about preventing more abuse from happening the future. Simply put, the church needs to immediately turn over anyone suspected of abuse to the police. They can defrock him later if they like, but criminal law takes precedence. Concealing his actions and moving him around should result in prosecution for the cover-up. No exceptions for age or repenting allowed.

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    Re: Pope failed to defrock U.S. sex abuse priest

    I wonder if this makes the Pope and the entire Catholic church libel for civil damages?

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    Re: Pope failed to defrock U.S. sex abuse priest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I wonder if this makes the Pope and the entire Catholic church libel for civil damages?
    It's like a hydra...there's so many heads of beauracracy within the church that you can't hold a single person liable for it all yet you can't hold the entire beast liable for any of it.

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