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    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

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    The Crusades were a RESPONSE to centuries of Islamic aggression against Christian lands. Do you know what sparked the calls for the First Crusade in the first place?

    Be wary of casting the stone of historical ignorance lest you show it yourself.
    So these lands are Christian lands now? Care to explain why these are Christian lands?

    And yes, I know what sparked the calls for the First Crusade. Do you? Do the words 'Erdmann thesis' mean anything to you?

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    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

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    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    So these lands are Christian lands now? Care to explain why these are Christian lands?

    And yes, I know what sparked the calls for the First Crusade. Do you? Do the words 'Erdmann thesis' mean anything to you?
    They WERE Christian lands before the Muslims overran them!!!

    The Seljuq Empire was threatening Constantinople which prompted the Roman Emperor to plead to the Pope for help. It was after the receipt of that request for help that Pope Urban I called for the Crusade. Or, does simple history like this cause a problem for you. That entire region (in addition to North Africa) was CHRISTIAN prior to it being conquered by the Arabs. THAT is history, my friend.
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    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

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    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Well, I am usually on the Israeli side but I have to admit I really do not understand why you would even want to put houses with families in such a high risk area. Isn't there anyplace in Israel to build a residential area?

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    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

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    Well, I am usually on the Israeli side but I have to admit I really do not understand why you would even want to put houses with families in such a high risk area. Isn't there anyplace in Israel to build a residential area?

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    Why SHOULDN'T people be able to build in the capital of the country?
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    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Because it attracts bullets? In a normal environment you should be able build in any area of your capital I agree. But you do not live in a normal environment you live in a volatile environment. One of the main causes of military action is the complaints of attacks on civilians. Now you intentionally want to place those civilians in danger. And if there is an attack on your civilians then what? Another raid into the Palestinian territories? Settle the disputes get some peace and then build.

    Your government knows this inflammatory. It seems to be intended to incite rather than search for viable ways to make peace.

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    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by moe View Post
    Well, I am usually on the Israeli side but I have to admit I really do not understand why you would even want to put houses with families in such a high risk area. Isn't there anyplace in Israel to build a residential area?

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    East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights are regarded by Israel as any other city or place under the state's sovereignty.

    Therefore, citizens of the Israeli state are able, in accordance with the law, to purchase and build buildings in those areas, no matter the risk to their lives.
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    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights are regarded by Israel as any other city or place under the state's sovereignty.

    Therefore, citizens of the Israeli state are able, in accordance with the law, to purchase and build buildings in those areas, no matter the risk to their lives.

    I understand that. But part of the Palestinian gripe is they want a capital in Jerusalem. Any and every effort to derail a peace process is seized upon by the Palestinian side. It is a tar baby situation and really if you gave them what they wanted there still would not be any peace it is just another land grab tactic to reduce Israel a little bit more. But still the pursuit of peace is more important than an apartment building. You are just feeding the Palestinian propaganda machine and they making more hey of it than you are.

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    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by moe View Post
    I understand that. But part of the Palestinian gripe is they want a capital in Jerusalem. Any and every effort to derail a peace process is seized upon by the Palestinian side. It is a tar baby situation and really if you gave them what they wanted there still would not be any peace it is just another land grab tactic to reduce Israel a little bit more. But still the pursuit of peace is more important than an apartment building. You are just feeding the Palestinian propaganda machine and they making more hey of it than you are.

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    Through the Israeli recognition that East Jerusalem is no different than Tel-Aviv in being a sovereign part of the Israeli state, Israel leaves the domestic issues of East Jerusalem to be managed by either the municipality of Jerusalem or the law itself.

    Was the state of Israel to regard to Jerusalem as a unique case and not allow a continued building in it, Jerusalem's status in Israeli eyes would change, and Israel's claim to its Eastern Part would be extremely and radically weakened.
    It will unavoidably be regarded as a move that shows Israel does not recognize East Jerusalem as a part that is no different in its Israeli sovereignty than any other city or place across the tiny state.

    Hence and therefore, it is the responsibility of a purely diplomatic negotiations between the two parties (Palestinians and Israel) to reach a decision on East Jerusalem's status.

    One of the offering made before during negotiations, by the Olmert's administration, a left-wing administration, was that all of the Arab quarters of East Jerusalem would be given to the Palestinians, and the holy sites in East Jerusalem would be managed by an international and united force of Americans, Israelis, Palestinians, Jordanians, Saudis (If I recall correctly) and a few European nations.

    This offering was, of course, refused by the Palestinians, under the claim that East Jerusalem should be fully Palestinian.
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