Page 6 of 9 FirstFirst ... 45678 ... LastLast
Results 51 to 60 of 81

Thread: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

  1. #51
    Sage
    j-mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:02 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    30,274

    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    In matters of International Law regarding another nation? Yeah, it does.

    In NO matters does the UN supersede American sovereignty. And if they feel that way we should pull out of it immediately and withhold our funds from them. Then we'd see just how the little anti American, anti Israel thugs would fare.


    j-mac
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

  2. #52
    Hippie Hater
    texmaster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Dallas TEXAS
    Last Seen
    08-20-15 @ 01:17 AM
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    3,969

    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    We are discussing the MODERN nation of Israel. Prior to 1948, there had not been a nation of Israel for nearly 2000 years, as your source helpfully explains.
    Next time be more specific when you demand evidence and we wont have this problem

    And exactly how did the US create the modern Israel? Did we send troops? Did Europe? Please, engross us with your fascinating answer...
    Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

    John Adams

  3. #53
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Redneck Riviera
    Last Seen
    07-09-11 @ 06:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,728

    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Next time be more specific when you demand evidence and we wont have this problem
    I'm stunned by the incompetence of your responses.

    And exactly how did the US create the modern Israel? Did we send troops? Did Europe? Please, engross us with your fascinating answer...
    Did I say that the U.S. created Israel? Another strawman from Texmaster.

  4. #54
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Redneck Riviera
    Last Seen
    07-09-11 @ 06:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,728

    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In NO matters does the UN supersede American sovereignty.
    washingtonpost.com

    The United States, like the rest of the world, has never recognized Israel's sovereignty over territory occupied in the 1967 war. Still, the two countries always "managed to work out a modus vivendi because more compelling strategic concerns trumped whatever they were quarreling about," said Dore Gold, who was a political adviser to Netanyahu during his first stint as prime minister more than a decade ago.

    Gold cited Israel's 1997 decision to build the Har Homa development in East Jerusalem just after Netanyahu signed a deal turning over most of the West Bank city of Hebron to Palestinian control. At the time, the United States vetoed two proposed U.N. Security Council resolutions criticizing Israel for the project.

    The difference was that then-President Bill Clinton believed Netanyahu could make progress toward peace, observers said. Obama does not appear to share that sentiment. "There was trust between the president and our prime minister," Hasson said. "Now we don't have it."

  5. #55
    Sporadic insanity normal.


    The Mark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:43 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    19,736

    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so, you would have us excuse this illegal construction and displacement of the existing residents because of a semantic distinction

    no wonder the expression 'to be jewed' out of something has won widespread acceptance
    Actually, I was simply pointing out that new construction inside a city does not constitute the formation of a "settlement", as the area is obviously already "settled".

    That's all.

    At least, if my interpretation of the term “settle” is correct…
    Education.

    Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller

  6. #56
    Defender of the Faith
    ludahai's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Taichung, Taiwan - 2017 East Asian Games Candidate City
    Last Seen
    07-03-13 @ 02:22 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    10,320

    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    No offense, but the western nations CREATED ISRAEL in the first place.
    The United Nations and the Jewish residents of Israel created it. And, when it was fighting for its life against its Muslim neighbors in 1948, they are the ones who won thier freedom. When their freedom was again threatened in 1967 and 1972, they won those conflicts and preserved their independence.

    Considering the hypocrisy of nearly ALL nation states regarding statehood and international law -- including the United Nations -- I am not sympathetic to arguments against Israel's right to its territory and to take extraordinary measures to ensure its own security. As the victim of repeated aggression from its neighbors, I am willing to grant them some leeway. Perhaps your arrogance comes from living in a country that doesn't have a significant threat from its neighbors.
    Semper Paratus
    Boston = City of Champions: Bruins 2011; Celtics 2008; Red Sox 2004, 2007; Patriots 2002, 2004, 2005
    Jon Huntsman for President

  7. #57
    Defender of the Faith
    ludahai's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Taichung, Taiwan - 2017 East Asian Games Candidate City
    Last Seen
    07-03-13 @ 02:22 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    10,320

    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    In matters of International Law regarding another nation? Yeah, it does.
    Actually, not the UN General Assembly, only the ICJ has the jurisdiction to make determinations of international law.
    Semper Paratus
    Boston = City of Champions: Bruins 2011; Celtics 2008; Red Sox 2004, 2007; Patriots 2002, 2004, 2005
    Jon Huntsman for President

  8. #58
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Redneck Riviera
    Last Seen
    07-09-11 @ 06:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,728

    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The United Nations and the Jewish residents of Israel created it. And, when it was fighting for its life against its Muslim neighbors in 1948, they are the ones who won thier freedom. When their freedom was again threatened in 1967 and 1972, they won those conflicts and preserved their independence.

    Perhaps your arrogance comes from living in a country that doesn't have a significant threat from its neighbors.
    Two thoughts. First, the Jewish people on their own were powerless to create Israel. The UN, LED BY THE WESTERN NATIONS, created Israel out Palestine.

    Secondly, I live in America. We've been invaded by 20 million of our southern neighbors illegally, and I've dealt with them in a criminal capacity for nearly 20 years. Perhaps you should save your assumptions and focus on the topic.

  9. #59
    User
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    On the OH/PA line
    Last Seen
    07-19-12 @ 07:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    48

    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Israel approves new building in east Jerusalem - Business- msnbc.com



    Cabel is a member of Netanyahu's own party. Apparently, he's come to the same conclusion that I have...that Netanyahu, for whatever reasons, is actually sabotaging his relationships with western nations.
    Netanyahu "spit in Obama's eye"? Actually, it was the other way around. Obama's behavior with Netanyahu on his recent visit, is totally without precident, and very un-"Presidential", to use a term the left loves. It was disgusting.

    Obama walked out on their meeting, then canceled the State Dinner!

    What a piece of work Obama is! He has made more enemies of our friends than the left claimed Bush did. Think relations were bad before? The guy is an idiot.

    By the way, Jerusalem is their Capital. They can do what they want. Screw the Arabs!

  10. #60
    Defender of the Faith
    ludahai's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Taichung, Taiwan - 2017 East Asian Games Candidate City
    Last Seen
    07-03-13 @ 02:22 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    10,320

    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Two thoughts. First, the Jewish people on their own were powerless to create Israel. The UN, LED BY THE WESTERN NATIONS, created Israel out Palestine.

    Secondly, I live in America. We've been invaded by 20 million of our southern neighbors illegally, and I've dealt with them in a criminal capacity for nearly 20 years. Perhaps you should save your assumptions and focus on the topic.


    At least you don't have armies threatening to end your existance as an independent state like Israel does as does the country I live in. The arrogance of Americans never ceases to astound me (and I am U.S.-born).

    Who created Israel? Who preserved Israel? Does the West get the right to dictate to Israel because it supposedly created it? Where was the West when its very existance was in peril. Who won the wars in 1948? 1967? 1972? when the Arabs threatened to exterminate the country? Sorry, the West has no moral authority on this particular point. The U.S. also has a long record of hypocrisy on the application of international law and the right of states to self-determination. Who does East Jerusalem belong to? It belonged to Jordan, but when Jordan and its Arab allies started a war against Israel, they lost it and the entirety of the West Bank. Jordan has since relinquished sovereignty over the territory. Given past U.S. behavior on such situations, why shouldn't Israel have the right to claim soveriegnty? Any other argument by the U.S. regarding East Jerusalem and the West Bank would be hypocritical in the extreme.
    Semper Paratus
    Boston = City of Champions: Bruins 2011; Celtics 2008; Red Sox 2004, 2007; Patriots 2002, 2004, 2005
    Jon Huntsman for President

Page 6 of 9 FirstFirst ... 45678 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •