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    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    You know I feel for the Israeli people because they and the Palestinians were placed in a no win situation. And then the Israeli government goes and does something like this and it is kind of annoying and makes me rethink how much we should really be helping them.
    Unlike what the Obama's administration would like you to believe, Israel has been building in Jerusalem - a land that Israel considers to be, in its whole, its capital - since 1967.

    That's 43 years of building in Jerusalem without diplomatic incidents such as the one with the Obama administration.
    One has to wonder, then, if Obama is intentionally trying to sabotage the relations between Israel and the US, although such attempts are of course futile.
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    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and given the limitations on those who are allowed to vote in israel, it would be something of a stretch to identify that as a true democracy
    That is an empty propaganda relying on the readers' lack of knowledge on the election system in Israel.

    In reality, the land of the truth, every citizen that holds an Israeli citizenship has an equal voting right.
    There are actually quite some Arab members in the Knesset, the Israeli parliament.
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    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so, you would have us excuse this illegal construction and displacement of the existing residents
    No existing residents were displaced, that is yet again an act of empty propaganda.
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    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I don't think the contriversal construction is, in this case, a "settlement", as that area in question is already "settled".

    It's inside a city, so I would assume not.

    Inside a city. Inside East Jerusalem which the Palestinians wish to make their capital. We heard that this extra construction is even in a Palestinian area.

    It sounds to me that Israel is just shouting very loud that she has no interest in peace.

    Both announcements timed to embarrass would seem to indicate that Israel knows that she is in for problems for going against what she said but is relying on Congress to also not be interested in peace in the ME and to go against Obama.
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    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    It sounds to me that Israel is just shouting very loud that she has no interest in peace.
    If only because you lack the ability to understand.

    This construction, as were all of the constructions in East Jerusalem in the last 43 years, was approved because Israel refers to the area as an Israeli land, annexed by Israel in 1967 and being Israeli ever since.

    Building in Jerusalem in Israeli eyes is no different than building in Tel-Aviv, and it's not a new issue, and certainly this was not started by the current administration.

    Your claim that the approval of 20 apartments in east Jerusalem means that Israel is not interested in peace is completely ignorant of the fact that Israel has been doing this for quite a long time, and is not intending to stop.
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    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    If only because you lack the ability to understand.

    This construction, as were all of the constructions in East Jerusalem in the last 43 years, was approved because Israel refers to the area as an Israeli land, annexed by Israel in 1967 and being Israeli ever since.

    Building in Jerusalem in Israeli eyes is no different than building in Tel-Aviv, and it's not a new issue, and certainly this was not started by the current administration.

    Your claim that the approval of 20 apartments in east Jerusalem means that Israel is not interested in peace is completely ignorant of the fact that Israel has been doing this for quite a long time, and is not intending to stop.
    and this post vividly illustrates why israel does everything within its considerable means to avoid peace talks. talks, which if held, would necessarily have to address the disputed territories
    israel's position is that it has stolen the land and has no intention of returning it to its rightful owners. it has no interest in proceeding into negotiations which would entail negotiation of the land boundaries of the disputed territories. the facts would be against israel in such negotiations
    at a time when we are talking about dividing a pizza, Israel is eating it
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and this post vividly illustrates why israel does everything within its considerable means to avoid peace talks. talks, which if held, would necessarily have to address the disputed territories
    israel's position is that it has stolen the land and has no intention of returning it to its rightful owners. it has no interest in proceeding into negotiations which would entail negotiation of the land boundaries of the disputed territories. the facts would be against israel in such negotiations
    at a time when we are talking about dividing a pizza, Israel is eating it
    Wrong again, Israel's position is that Jerusalem is the Israeli capital, and hence Israel can build at it just as it can build in any of its other cities.

    Israel has offered in the past to give the Palestinians all of Jerusalem's Arab quarters.
    That offer was refused.
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    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Wrong again, Israel's position is that Jerusalem is the Israeli capital, and hence Israel can build at it just as it can build in any of its other cities.

    Israel has offered in the past to give the Palestinians all of Jerusalem's Arab quarters.
    That offer was refused.
    that's you spin on it anyway.

    To deliberately announce new settlements in what the Palestinians wish to be their Capital at the very time of visit from the US and visits to the US is making your position clear on peace talks.

    Justbubba could not have put it better. At a time when you should be talking about dividing the pizza, Israel is eating it.
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    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Wrong again, Israel's position is that Jerusalem is the Israeli capital, and hence Israel can build at it just as it can build in any of its other cities.

    Israel has offered in the past to give the Palestinians all of Jerusalem's Arab quarters.
    That offer was refused.
    thank you again for making my point
    the disputed territories are subject to being lost by israel
    so, it attaches a dubious claim to them, and builds on them in an effort to secure that claim
    it avoids a negotiation over the valid ownership of the disputed territories

    and for anyone who would dare believe apo's propaganda that israel is not displacing arab property owners to establish a footprint for its illicit settlements, then read on:
    Al Jazeera English - Middle East - Israel evicts Palestinian families
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    that's you spin on it anyway.
    No, that's reality.
    To deliberately announce new settlements in what the Palestinians wish to be their Capital at the very time of visit from the US and visits to the US is making your position clear on peace talks.
    Eli Yishai, the interior minister who has decided to approve the buildings in East Jerusalem during Biden's visit, has his own opinions.
    The actions of one minister when opposed and condemned by the entire government, including Benjamin Netanyahu himself, cannot honestly represent the administration, and that you think so is one of the reasons why you're inherently wrong.
    Justbubba could not have put it better.
    If this is the best way your opinion comes across, then it is undoubtedly wrong.
    At a time when you should be talking about dividing the pizza, Israel is eating it.
    The reason why there are no talks on the pizza is because the Palestinians choose to boycott the talks, and get away with it.
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