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    Re: Calif. voters to decide whether to legalize pot

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    Re: Calif. voters to decide whether to legalize pot

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    Pass it first, then deal with the feds. Obama may do the smart thing again and claim it is a state law and off limits to the feds.

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    Re: Calif. voters to decide whether to legalize pot

    I hope it does pass, not because I might then be legally permitted to smoke this stuff. (I quit smoking a while ago).
    My reasoning is the same as what happened after the repeal of Prohibition, it drove the criminals to other pursuits.
    However I personally would take it one step further and decriminalize all individual holdings of all drugs, while at same time giving an automatic death sentence to all illegal drug dealers or traffickers.
    Naturally there would need to be a certain set amount that an individual was permitted to have on their person.
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    I am a libertarian in heart, but registered a Republican. I am also graduating with a Criminal Justice degree. I have seen and learned first hand how messed up our Criminal Justice system is with things like the "three strikes law" that CA has etc. So many prisons are full to the breaking point of marijuana uses who have used it multiple times it's absurd! We need to legalize marijuana to free up space in jails and prisons and to free up law enforcement all across the board. It is high time to let people get high if they want to. And this is coming from someone who has never toked any in his life, use reason people!

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    Re: Calif. voters to decide whether to legalize pot

    Legalize it all. It'll thin the herd.

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    Re: Calif. voters to decide whether to legalize pot

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    In my experience, having worked with street gang programs in Los Angeles, money is only a relatively minor reason that kids join gangs there. There are much other, larger issues. Just the presence of gangs in their neighborhoods is a huge predictor of gang joining.

    I agree, to a substantial degree. But still, money is power, prestige and influence. Take away most of their source of revenue: that will drastically reduce their power, prestige and influence. It should cut down at least some on gang-related and drug-related violence.

    That would be if we legalized the production/supply chain, and regulated it and taxed it, but still kept it far cheaper than the black-market stuff.

    And yeah, to have a really big impact it would have to be more than just mj... and that's where I'm not so sure how far we should go.
    On the one hand I don't think weed is even AS bad as booze, but crack is a different matter and meth is a whole different ballgame. I have a hard time with the idea of legalizing something as toxic as meth.

    On the one hand, if someone wants to destroy their body (quickly at that) with meth, that's their decision. OTOH, would making it legal and readily available increase the number of users? Is putting the stamp of legalistic approval on something so toxic the right thing to do?

    Dunno.

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    Re: Calif. voters to decide whether to legalize pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The Feds have already signaled to Mexico that they are planning on clamping down on the drug trade here.
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    Re: Calif. voters to decide whether to legalize pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    On the one hand I don't think weed is even AS bad as booze, but crack is a different matter and meth is a whole different ballgame. I have a hard time with the idea of legalizing something as toxic as meth.

    On the one hand, if someone wants to destroy their body (quickly at that) with meth, that's their decision. OTOH, would making it legal and readily available increase the number of users? Is putting the stamp of legalistic approval on something so toxic the right thing to do?

    Dunno.

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    I agree with you that soft drugs (low addiction rates) should be legalized as well as production and distribution. I am still struggling with hard drugs (coke, crack, meth, heroin). I usually say to decriminalize them, treat users as having a health problem and get them into rehab. But that does nothing to eliminate the criminal distribution networks. So let's think about legalizing (and regulating) them.

    There are studies showing that the use of marijuana won't go up with legalization. Perhaps the same is true of hard drugs.

    Addiction is a disease and one way of treating it is to give a hit. Perhaps this is a way to view legalization.

    When you go to the DC (Drug Control) and buy your hits, you are automatically sent to rehab. You can do the hits, but they will be your last.

    What is more important and valuable, reducing the harm caused by criminal networks or reducing the harm caused by personal use? For pot, it is clearly the first. For other drugs?

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    Re: Calif. voters to decide whether to legalize pot

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I agree with you that soft drugs (low addiction rates) should be legalized as well as production and distribution. I am still struggling with hard drugs (coke, crack, meth, heroin). I usually say to decriminalize them, treat users as having a health problem and get them into rehab. But that does nothing to eliminate the criminal distribution networks. So let's think about legalizing (and regulating) them.
    Ah, legalize them, too. We have Obamacare to pay for rehab now!!!

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