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    Re: Calif. voters to decide whether to legalize pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Even if CA approves to legalize pot, the federal government won't stand for it.
    The Feds have already signaled to Mexico that they are planning on clamping down on the drug trade here.
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    Re: Calif. voters to decide whether to legalize pot

    As I recall the Feds have not looked kindly on other States that did this and Alaska for example changed their laws because the Feds threaten pulling all funding.

    With California being run by totla idiots the law we will be voting on will concentrate on what those in Government lovingly like to call Revenue enhancement and it will be a stupid law that will invite the CRIMINAL ELEMENT such as the Mexican Drug Cartels and and street gangs to expand their activities, making the streets even more dangerous.

    This is a very bad idea.

    Government stupidity is what made pot so expensive starting in the mid 70s when an once went from $10 to now where it's over $100 and the quality has not improved appreciably in that time, from what I am told.

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    Re: Calif. voters to decide whether to legalize pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Even if CA approves to legalize pot, the federal government won't stand for it.

    Which will hopefully provoke a Constitutional crisis that will bring the 10th Amendment to the forefront of American political consciousness for the first time in a long while!


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    Re: Calif. voters to decide whether to legalize pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    With California being run by totla idiots the law we will be voting on will concentrate on what those in Government lovingly like to call Revenue enhancement and it will be a stupid law that will invite the CRIMINAL ELEMENT such as the Mexican Drug Cartels and and street gangs to expand their activities, making the streets even more dangerous.
    Maybe it's because I'm sober, but I have no idea what you're trying to say here.



    Anyways, I agree that legalizing pot will drop the price of pot from $100+ an ounce back down to $10, which will eviscerate Mexican drug cartel profits and give them less incentive to go around killing people in CA.

    Call me a pessimist, but I think that if this passes, there will inevitably be a celebratory glut that will provide prohibitionists with plenty of ammunition to attack legalization from the moral perspective.

    On a side note, if CA legalizes pot, every other state in the union is gonna have a hard time finding people to deliver their pizzas.

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    Re: Calif. voters to decide whether to legalize pot

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Unfortunately, I don't think it will pass. The right-wingers and religious evangelicals are going to go crazy and will propogandize this issue to the point that it turns voters off.
    I dont know, it is California were talking about here where even the right wingers are probably more laid back than the rest of the country on the subject, and also the state is stapped for cash so if it can bring in some revenue they may let it fly.

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    Re: Calif. voters to decide whether to legalize pot

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Although already answered by Danarhea, and the initiative does take necessary steps to deal with the supply chain issue, the effect on the cartels will still be minimal, since this is but one of 50 states that are funding the cartels, and marijuana is ~60% of their income (Mexican cartels that is), and other drugs are the rest.
    True. I once asked one of my former clients, a drug-dealer, what she would do if mj was legalized. She told me, "there will always be someone to sell to and something to sell."

    For starters, street gangs in southern California didn't start to distribute dope. They started because of socio-economic, racial, and family issues. So, removing mj from their realm isn't going to dissipate them.

    Beyond that, the cartels are highly organized and have access to massive amounts of capital. If mj is taken off their plate in California, they still have plenty of presence in other states. Further, they are already big into heroin, cocaine, and meth, so mj is just one of the substances they distribute.

    Having said that, though, it's become abundantly clear to me over the years that we've already lost the drug war on mj. It's too proliferated in too many places through out American society. I've become aware that a high percentage of adults in my community get high on a regular basis. I exist outside of that, but I have come to believe that I'm somewhat outnumbered.

    What it will do is allow resources to be better focused on real crime, and it will reduce the amount of money going to local gangs, which in turn will have a negative pressure on gang allure and influence on kids.
    In my experience, having worked with street gang programs in Los Angeles, money is only a relatively minor reason that kids join gangs there. There are much other, larger issues. Just the presence of gangs in their neighborhoods is a huge predictor of gang joining.
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    Re: Calif. voters to decide whether to legalize pot

    It is basically legal as it stands. Anyone...... I am saying anyone can receive a medical recommendation and obtain cannabis from a dispensary. The only restriction is smoking in public or in a running vehicle.

    Legalizing (not decriminalizing) will have a powerful effect on lowering the price. Given that the demand for cannabis (and other drugs) is quite inelastic, it is not necessarily certain that a lower price will increase quantity demanded.

    Another demand effect will emerge however: a diminished market barrier will most definitely increase quantity demanded. But this will (for the most part) be a result of California being a cannabis tourism capital.

    In the Netherlands, the reason the cannabis price has been allowed to remain artificially high is due to the drug still being illegal (decriminalized). Without the ability to legally grow your own the prices will forever remain very high (pun intended). Hopefully California does not go this route.
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    Re: Calif. voters to decide whether to legalize pot

    So does this mean if it passes, all the Libertarians will move to CA?
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    Re: Calif. voters to decide whether to legalize pot

    I gotta make sure I'm watching Bill O'Reilly when he talks about this. Drinking game for whenever he uses the word "stoner," "pinhead," or "lazy."
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    Re: Calif. voters to decide whether to legalize pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So does this mean if it passes, all the Libertarians will move to CA?
    I bet you see many people aspire to live there. People move there just so they do not have to disclose that they were convicted of misdemeanor cannabis convictions.
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