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    Re: Obama to sign promised executive order on abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Since SCOTUS declared it is not so simple to change laws.

    With this statement alone you confirm what a hoax the whole Stupak ruse was....good one demo's....


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    Re: Obama to sign promised executive order on abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    While I question the use of a signing statement for this rather inserting language into the bill concerning it, its good on Obama to stick to his promise.



    I thought signing statments were bad.....
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    Re: Obama to sign promised executive order on abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    With this statement alone you confirm what a hoax the whole Stupak ruse was....good one demo's....


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    Stupak was a self agrandizing whore. He sold his 'morals' down the river for a few baubles.

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    Re: Obama to sign promised executive order on abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    He may not... I DAMN sure do... the is a history is distrust and a fair bit of disdain from the military folk toward Democrats going back as far as I can remember which is Vietnam.

    Look at some of the reactions from them when folks like Clinton and Obama use them for photo ops... look at the attitude of West Point when liberals show up..

    They have, in the recent past been snubbed by both Clintons openly, and often. When their own Generals make requests, they are not honored, but hedged, put off, then their requests are never quite met. This is not an isolated incident and our military damn well knows it.

    I don't blame them as they wind up the butt of their politicking in every instance I can remember..

    I assure you though there is no love lost.
    Its not so simple tho...

    I think MOST vets would agree that while soldiers are on active duty and/or in conflict situations, the republicans are far more likely to be supportive of the troops. However...when it comes to long term benefits like social spending for veterans democrats are far more likely to offer better social services packages.

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    Re: Obama to sign promised executive order on abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I thought signing statments were bad.....
    Wasn't a signing statement.
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    Re: Obama to sign promised executive order on abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Since SCOTUS declared it is not so simple to change laws.



    No. It can't. The military has to run policy changes through congress and congress has to approve them.



    It seems you don't know how laws in this country work.

    So an executive order is pointless?Is that what you are admitting?
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    Re: Obama to sign promised executive order on abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Are you seriously trying to imply that conservatives care more about the day to day welfare of military personnel than liberals do? Please knock off the hyperpartisan b.s. Hatuey and I both gave you good reasons why DADT hasn't been ended by Exec order. Your response is a logical fallacy.
    I wasn't implying anything except that a executive order doesn't mean squat.
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    Re: Obama to sign promised executive order on abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So an executive order is pointless?Is that what you are admitting?
    In the case of DADT? Yes. Not allowing federal funds to go to towards abortion is already part of U.S. law. Obama simply has to write an executive order that ensure the federal funds in the health bill do not go towards abortion providers. DADT itself is an entire set of laws which would have to be changed so signing an executive order would leave a void that would have to be filled with another set of laws.
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    Re: Obama to sign promised executive order on abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    With this statement alone you confirm what a hoax the whole Stupak ruse was....good one demo's....


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    With this statement alone you prove that you do not know the difference between law and executive order. DADT is mandated by federal law. An executive order can't simply do away with it. Changing a single issue within a bill 1,000 pages long with an executive order is however, quite easy because Obama would not be creating new laws or changing laws but enforcing what is already law.
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    Re: Obama to sign promised executive order on abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    In the case of DADT? Yes. Not allowing federal funds to go to towards abortion is already part of U.S. law. Obama simply has to write an executive order that ensure the federal funds in the health bill do not go towards abortion providers. DADT itself is an entire set of laws which would have to be changed so signing an executive order would leave a void that would have to be filled with another set of laws.
    So how would executive order stop anyone from making a change to the law?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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