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    Re: Obama to sign promised executive order on abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    IF an executive order meant anything then why doesn't Obama make one for removing DADT, and many other things he promised to do and why does he even need congress and senate to do anything?
    Because DADT is a law with hundreds of ramifications. You can't undo such complex laws with an executive order.
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    Re: Obama to sign promised executive order on abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yep, my bad, that was a case of brain and fingers not syncing up
    Ok...cool.

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    Cause the purity of the bill having to do with Health Care only really makes a ton of sense when you place it next to the fact College Loan legislation was tacted on.
    LOL...you have a point there, but that didn't get the press nor is it the emotional issue that is abortion. Signing the EO in a big fan fare makes it something it was not.

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    Re: Obama to sign promised executive order on abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yep, my bad, that was a case of brain and fingers not syncing up
    Hah, mine too, sortof. My brain just sort of automatically translated "signing statement" into the proper term and I didn't even notice.
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    Re: Obama to sign promised executive order on abortion

    The executive order carries the force of law at least until Congress or the courts override it...I see it as nothing more than political cover for Stupak.

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    Re: Obama to sign promised executive order on abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Because DADT is a law with hundreds of ramifications. You can't undo such complex laws with an executive order.
    Since when did libs care about ramifications and how complex is it to say the military from now on could care less if a marine, soldier or whatever is gay? The military could simply end gang latrines and showers and have person to a room if there were any issues when gay men showering together and sharing rooms. It seems that you are just making excuses for Obama not upholding one of his campaign promises.
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    Re: Obama to sign promised executive order on abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Since when did libs care about ramifications and how complex is it to say the military from now on could care less if a marine, soldier or whatever is gay?
    Are you seriously trying to imply that conservatives care more about the day to day welfare of military personnel than liberals do? Please knock off the hyperpartisan b.s. Hatuey and I both gave you good reasons why DADT hasn't been ended by Exec order. Your response is a logical fallacy.

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    Re: Obama to sign promised executive order on abortion

    He signed it just hours after he figures out the bill would go back to the House... What'a MAROON!...

    But I'm glad we're getting that transparency he promised!
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    Re: Obama to sign promised executive order on abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Because DADT is a law with hundreds of ramifications. You can't undo such complex laws with an executive order.
    And you can fix something like federal funding of abortions with one???

    If they were sincere about this they would have inserted the language in the bill. This is an executive orderdestined to be challenged and thrown out.

    And for the record...I dont think it SHOULD be in the legislation...

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    Re: Obama to sign promised executive order on abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Are you seriously trying to imply that conservatives care more about the day to day welfare of military personnel than liberals do?
    He may not... I DAMN sure do... the is a history is distrust and a fair bit of disdain from the military folk toward Democrats going back as far as I can remember which is Vietnam.

    Look at some of the reactions from them when folks like Clinton and Obama use them for photo ops... look at the attitude of West Point when liberals show up..

    They have, in the recent past been snubbed by both Clintons openly, and often. When their own Generals make requests, they are not honored, but hedged, put off, then their requests are never quite met. This is not an isolated incident and our military damn well knows it.

    I don't blame them as they wind up the butt of their politicking in every instance I can remember..

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    Re: Obama to sign promised executive order on abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Since when did libs care about ramifications and how complex is it to say the military from now on could care less if a marine, soldier or whatever is gay?
    Since SCOTUS declared it is not so simple to change laws.

    The military could simply end gang latrines and showers and have person to a room if there were any issues when gay men showering together and sharing rooms.
    No. It can't. The military has to run policy changes through congress and congress has to approve them.

    It seems that you are just making excuses for Obama not upholding one of his campaign promises.
    It seems you don't know how laws in this country work.
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