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UK expels Israeli Diplomat

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The UK is to expel an Israeli diplomat over the use of 12 forged British passports linked to the murder of Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in Dubai.
Foreign Secretary David Miliband told the Commons there were "compelling reasons" to believe Israel was responsible for the passport "misuse".
He said: "The government takes this matter extremely seriously. Such misuse of British passports is intolerable."


Israel says there is no proof it was behind the killing in Dubai in January.
But Mr Milband said it was "highly likely" the Israeli secret service Mossad was involved and the fact that Israel was a close ally added "insult to injury".
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BBC News - Britain expels Israeli diplomat over Dubai passport row
 
The UK is weak, what they did here was wrong. The hug the terrorists and kiss the "Palestinians." Sadly, my country now too is attacking Israel. The world needs to take a hard stance, not the soft stance and the falsely accusing eye of focusing on the "evils" of Israel and the "plight" of the Palestinian people. Nations are acting in an anti-Israeli fashion to improve relations with the Arab states who hate Israel.
 
Geez, Russia is aligning itself with Iran, we are at odds with Israel, China is ratcheting up its resources and financial control of the world.......

Something dire is coming, folks.
 
The UK is weak, what they did here was wrong. The hug the terrorists and kiss the "Palestinians." Sadly, my country now too is attacking Israel. The world needs to take a hard stance, not the soft stance and the falsely accusing eye of focusing on the "evils" of Israel and the "plight" of the Palestinian people. Nations are acting in an anti-Israeli fashion to improve relations with the Arab states who hate Israel.
I'm afraid this one has to do more with Britain's own citizens.
The Labour party faces a hard election, and a populist action was needed to boost its popularity.

It's not a big deal, however, and cannot be compared with the diplomatic crisis(that is hopefully behind us) with the US.
 
The UK is weak, what they did here was wrong. The hug the terrorists and kiss the "Palestinians." Sadly, my country now too is attacking Israel. The world needs to take a hard stance, not the soft stance and the falsely accusing eye of focusing on the "evils" of Israel and the "plight" of the Palestinian people. Nations are acting in an anti-Israeli fashion to improve relations with the Arab states who hate Israel.

Actually, the British are hugging their own laws, which is right and proper. The forging of official government documents is a pretty serious crime.
 
I'm afraid this one has to do more with Britain's own citizens.
The Labour party faces a hard election, and a populist action was needed to boost its popularity.

It's not a big deal, however, and cannot be compared with the diplomatic crisis(that is hopefully behind us) with the US.

As long as Obama's priority is the Arab world, Israel will take a backseat to Obama's foolishness. He wants to look good in the eyes of Europe and the Arabs, he could care less about Israel or the American people.

I really hope the UK citizens vote Labour out, and that they would see this for the action that it is. If anything anyone rumored to be behind the killing deserves applause and a hero's welcome.
 
Actually, the British are hugging their own laws, which is right and proper. The forging of official government documents is a pretty serious crime.
And no one expects us to believe that the NSA, MI6, CIA, Mossad, KGB, and the rest of the intelligence agencies do not make use of foreign passports in "beyond-borders" operations.
 
And no one expects us to believe that the NSA, MI6, CIA, Mossad, KGB, and the rest of the intelligence agencies do not make use of foreign passports in "beyond-borders" operations.

Which has what to do with the British having credible evidence the Israeli's did it?
 
Which has what to do with the British having credible evidence the Israeli's did it?
They do not.
They say that they heavily suspect Israel is behind that operation, but that they do not know for certain.

And it had more to do with your statement about passports.
 
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They do not.
They say that they heavily suspect Israel is beyond that operation, but that they do not know for certain.

And it had more to do with your statement about passports.

Let me quote from the article:

"We have concluded that there are compelling reasons to believe Israel was responsible for the misuse of the British passports."

A country simply cannot ignore major breaking of the law like that. This is not hugging the terrorists, as some one suggested, but protecting their own laws.
 
Let me quote from the article
Where's the evidence?
Quote the evidence, do you know what was the given evidence?
Where is the credible evidence against Israel?
What evidence is there that Israel is behind the action?
To quote Israel's foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman, in a statement made a few moments ago:
No evidence was presented to us, there is absolutely no evidence that Israel is behind the assassination
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A country simply cannot ignore major breaking of the law like that. This is not hugging the terrorists, as some one suggested, but protecting their own laws.
It seems to me like a populist action, knowing that every intelligence agency commits the same act of foreign passports' use when operating on foreign soil, and knowing that the British ruling party, Labour, headed by Gordon Brown, is facing a hard elections.
 
1) The passports being linked to the murder, as well as them being in possession of the Israeli diplomat, speaks for itself. There is no way to refute hard evidence, such as this.

2) That being said, I believe that this was most likely a rogue operation, without support from the Israeli government. What the Israeli government does, in regard to this diplomat, will provide a better clue. If the diplomat is dismissed from his position, or otherwise dealt with, then I believe my theory will be borne out.
 
Where's the evidence?
Quote the evidence, do you know what was the given evidence?
Where is the credible evidence against Israel?
What evidence is there that Israel is behind the action?
To quote Israel's foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman, in a statement made a few moments ago:

It seems to me like a populist action, knowing that every intelligence agency commits the same act of foreign passports' use when operating on foreign soil, and knowing that the British ruling party, Labour, headed by Gordon Brown, is facing a hard elections.

The British did not accuse Israel of the murder. So the Israeli FM's statement does not have anything to do with this.

You can spin it however you like, but the British do need to protect their laws, and there is strong evidence that the Israeli's broke those laws.
 
1) The passports being linked to the murder, as well as them being in possession of the Israeli diplomat, speaks for itself. There is no way to refute hard evidence, such as this.
Please elaborate, with links.
 
What a Hamas douchebag got taken out and Isreal is being **** upon instead of lauded?

What's new in this progressive world?
 
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The British did not accuse Israel of the murder.
Uh... yes they did, they said they're not certain but they believe(=their opinion) that Israel has taken out the terrorist chief.
So the Israeli FM's statement does not have anything to do with this.
I do not see the logic here.
You can spin it however you like but the British do need to protect their laws, and there is strong evidence that the Israeli's broke those laws.
I don't spin anything, simply repeating the same statements even when engaged with a counter-argument is considered spinning, and that is what you do here when you completely ignore my words, obviously in fear of being wrong - if I may add.
 
What a Hamas souchebag got taken out and Isreal is being **** upon instead of lauded?

What's new in this progressive world?
Next thing you'll know and the US would be "held accountable" for taking out Al-Qaeda's 2nd's.
 
and the "plight" of the Palestinian people.

Listen. I have said it in a previous post. Yes there are some Palestinians who are terrorists. Hell there are some Americans who are terrorists. Unibomber, KKK and so forth.

Although there is a large hatred among Palestinians for Israel, I would say the vast majority are not terrorists and are just tryin to live out their lives.

I quote from a previous post of mine.

You mention that it will take generations for the hatred towards the Israeli's to subside. Now i'm not one to judge the way a country defends itself, but from a purely humanitarian point of view, because of the disparity between Palistineans and Israeli's when the Palistinean lives at the bottom of the hill without running water and electricity, while just above them on the hill behind a massive Concrete wall is a brand new housing unit with all emminities.

That kind of disparity will foster hatred forever...

Now all I was trying to say, was your mocking of their plight as such, is wrong. No comment on anything else so don't spout at me about anything except that point. I'd love to see you living in those conditions, and see how you feel.
 
Uh... yes they did, they said they're not certain but they believe(=their opinion) that Israel has taken out the terrorist chief.

No, an accusation would be "Israel did it". What you have here is expressing that there is evidence that Israel did it, but not actually making the accusation.

I do not see the logic here.

The Israeli FM is talking about the murder, which the British have not actually accused the Israels of(yet). I am talking about the forging of passports. See the rather large, unsubtle difference? You can do it, I know you can.

I don't spin anything, simply repeating the same statements even when engaged with a counter-argument is considered spinning, and that is what you do here when you completely ignore my words, obviously in fear of being wrong - if I may add.

You most certainly are spinning. You are saying the only reason Britain is enforcing their laws is an election. You offer absolutely no evidence to support that position, and don't consider the more logical position that Britain is pissed that it's citizens had their passports copied and forged copies with new pictures made.
 
Please don't make it an Israeli-Palestinian conflict thread, there are enough of those in the ME forum.

This thread is about the Israeli-British relations and the assassination of a terrorist chief in Dubai.
 
Next thing you'll know and the US would be "held accountable" for taking out Al-Qaeda's 2nd's.

How many laws did the US break when that happened?
 
Well, you know, there was that part where we forged Israeli passports....

Wait, what???
 
No, an accusation would be "Israel did it". What you have here is expressing that there is evidence that Israel did it, but not actually making the accusation.
I do not think we share the same logic.
They stated that they believe it was Israel, and hence have taken an action against the State of Israel.
That is certainly blaming Israel for the assassination, by all means.

The Israeli FM is talking about the murder, which the British have not actually accused the Israels of(yet). I am talking about the forging of passports. See the rather large, unsubtle difference?
No, Lieberman is speaking about the entire incident, including the forging of passports and the act itself.
In case you were not aware, the two actions are bundled together - when blamed for one, you get blamed for the other - and vice versa.
You can do it, I know you can.
And you can avoid referring to me personally and instead focus on my words.
I have enough to say about the person behind Redress that I keep to myself, the least that is expected from you is to do the same.
You most certainly are spinning. You are saying the only reason Britain is enforcing their laws is an election.
You offer absolutely no evidence to support that position
You yourself have brought zero evidence for your arguments, while I am more than fine with admitting that it is my own opinion based mainly on the fact that an election is coming soon.
The intention of the British Government for the action is really minor and next-to meaningless here.
The action itself is concerning.
and don't consider the more logical position that Britain is pissed that it's citizens had their passports copied and forged copies with new pictures made.
They could be pissed and have simply noted that they are pissed.
The moment they have decided to take action against Israel, without having the required evidence, is the moment I have had my disagreement with them.
 
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How many laws did the US break when that happened?
One is enough.
They killed without a trial.

It's called "extra-judicial" killings, to go by the term of the leftists, and they blame both Israel and the US for such actions.
 
I do not think we share the same logic.
They stated that they believe it was Israel, and hence have taken an action against the State of Israel.
That is certainly blaming Israel for the assassination, by all means.

No, Lieberman is speaking about the entire incident, including the forging of passports and the act itself.
In case you were not aware, the two actions are bundled together - when blamed for one, you get blamed for the other - and vice versa.
And you can avoid referring to me personally and instead focus on my words.
I have enough to say about the person behind Redress that I keep to myself, the least that is expected from you is to do the same.
You most certainly are spinning. You are saying the only reason Britain is enforcing their laws is an election. You yourself have brought zero evidence for your arguments, while I am more than fine with admitting that it is my own opinion based mainly on the fact that an election is coming soon.
The intention of the British Government for the action is really minor and next-to meaningless here.
The action itself is concerning.
They could be pissed and have simply noted that they are pissed.
The moment they have decided to take action against Israel, without having the required evidence, is the moment I have had my disagreement with them.

You are making an assumption, that Britain has no evidence. This assumption is false. Blind nationalism is an ugly thing. Face it, you guys got caught, there are repercussions. Boo and hoo.
 
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