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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Another false assumption. Keep up the good work.
    You have given up on the stance of a reasonable and rational debater - and for what?
    For the meaningless and pathetic fear from being wrong?
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    Re: UK expels Israeli Diplomat

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    You have given up on the stance of a reasonable and rational debater - and for what?
    For the meaningless and pathetic fear from being wrong?
    I explained to you my position. There is a wealth of public evidence that Israel forged British passports, and most likely there is more evidence that we do not have public access to. With that in mind, it is perfectly reasonable that a country act to protect it's laws. That is a reasonable and rational position, and one you have made zero effort to counter.
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    Re: UK expels Israeli Diplomat

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I explained to you my position. There is a wealth of public evidence that Israel forged British passports
    Alright, may you please back that up with sources, so I'll have something to actually reply to?
    it is perfectly reasonable that a country act to protect it's laws. That is a reasonable and rational position, and one you have made zero effort to counter.
    Sure, I agree with that.
    As I've stated earlier, my disagreement is with their decision to act against Israel while not having any actual evidence to present us with.
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    Re: UK expels Israeli Diplomat

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Alright, may you please back that up with sources, so I'll have something to actually reply to?
    Sure, I agree with that.
    As I've stated earlier, my disagreement is with their decision to act against Israel while not having any actual evidence to present us with.
    The original article is one piece of evidence, unless you believe the British government is lying. If you believe that, then no evidence is going to work for you. Further reading: Israeli immigration officials copied British passports used by hit squad, ministers told - Telegraph
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    Re: UK expels Israeli Diplomat

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The original article is one piece of evidence, unless you believe the British government is lying. If you believe that, then no evidence is going to work for you. Further reading: Israeli immigration officials copied British passports used by hit squad, ministers told - Telegraph
    The above is not an evidence(and certainly not public evidence) - but an assumption.
    I do not have to believe that the British officials ("Diplomatic Sources") are lying, but that their conclusions drawing from the incident is wrong.

    They have assumed that Israel has gained the copies of the passports that were used in the assassination through airport officials that have taken pictures of the passports during the routine check-ins by the identities-holding individuals in foreign airports.

    That is of course not backed by real evidence, and is merely the logical assumption they have reached on the method that Israel has allegedly used.
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    Re: UK expels Israeli Diplomat

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The above is not an evidence(and certainly not public evidence) - but an assumption.
    I do not have to believe that the British officials ("Diplomatic Sources") are lying, but that their conclusions drawing from the incident is wrong.

    They have assumed that Israel has gained the copies of the passports that were used in the assassination through airport officials that have taken pictures of the passports during the routine check-ins by the identities-holding individuals in foreign airports.

    That is of course not backed by real evidence, and is merely the logical assumption they have reached on the method that Israel has allegedly used.
    You are assuming they are not backed up with evidence. Just because there is no publicly released evidence of an event still under investigation does not mean it is not there. We have zero reason to doubt the veracity of the British officials, and the scenario does fit with what is known. You do not want to believe, which is fine, but that does not mean there is no evidence.

    We have two main possibilities here, either the British have solid evidence that Israel forged British passports, or they have some other motivation for their acts. The first seems about a million times more likely, and better fits what is publicly known.
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    Re: UK expels Israeli Diplomat

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Please elaborate, with links.
    You know, I should have read the entire article before spouting off. If I had, then I would have known that I am wrong here. Naturally, I ass-umed that the British government would only export the Israeli diplomat if he had himself broken the law, so I (say the word with me, folks) ass-umed that the fake passports had been in the diplomat's possession. I ass-umed wrong. I stand corrected, and thank you for bringing this to my attention.

    Now I have something else to say - Is the British government ****ing stupid?
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    Re: UK expels Israeli Diplomat

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The UK is weak, what they did here was wrong. The hug the terrorists and kiss the "Palestinians." Sadly, my country now too is attacking Israel. The world needs to take a hard stance, not the soft stance and the falsely accusing eye of focusing on the "evils" of Israel and the "plight" of the Palestinian people. Nations are acting in an anti-Israeli fashion to improve relations with the Arab states who hate Israel.
    Well we have been arming Israel for decades and Hamas is an illegal organization here (technically even 'glorifying' it could have legal ramifications). Traditionally Brittan's relationship with Israel has been pretty good as we need people to buy our weapons. You seam to have the world back to front here

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    Re: UK expels Israeli Diplomat

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, I should have read the entire article before spouting off. If I had, then I would have known that I am wrong here. Naturally, I ass-umed that the British government would only export the Israeli diplomat if he had himself broken the law, so I (say the word with me, folks) ass-umed that the fake passports had been in the diplomat's possession. I ass-umed wrong. I stand corrected, and thank you for bringing this to my attention.

    Now I have something else to say - Is the British government ****ing stupid?

    It is not unusual for us to just expel a diplomat as a protest if we are aggrieved with their country. We used to be doing this forever with Russia.

    You might like to listen to this short piece on Milliband talking to Parliament about it.

    Video: UK expels Israeli diplomat in forged passports row | World news | guardian.co.uk

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    Re: UK expels Israeli Diplomat

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, I should have read the entire article before spouting off. If I had, then I would have known that I am wrong here. Naturally, I ass-umed that the British government would only export the Israeli diplomat if he had himself broken the law, so I (say the word with me, folks) ass-umed that the fake passports had been in the diplomat's possession. I ass-umed wrong. I stand corrected, and thank you for bringing this to my attention.

    Now I have something else to say - Is the British government ****ing stupid?
    Never assume.
    It makes an ass of u and me.
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