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    Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Excerpted from “Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill” By David M. Drucker and Emily Pierce, Roll Call Staff, Roll Call, March 22, 2010, 1:25 p.m.
    Senate Parliamentarian Alan Frumin on Monday heard arguments for and against a Republican challenge to the health care reform reconciliation package, but he did not immediately issue a ruling. Additional Republican challenges to the Democratic reconciliation package will be made this week, a GOP aide confirmed.

    Democratic and Republican Senate staff met with Frumin behind closed doors Monday afternoon, with Republicans arguing that one provision of the reconciliation bill violates Section 310g of the Budget Act and should result in the entire package losing its reconciliation status. Democratic staff made the opposing argument.

    After considering both sides, Frumin is expected to rule, although the timing of his decision is unclear. Section 310g prevents reconciliation legislation from impacting Social Security, and the GOP plans to argue that a provision in the bill dealing with excise tax on expensive “Cadillac” insurance plans does just that. …
    This is the opposition challenge that could sink the whole reconciliation bill. It seems based more on hope than reason, but, I'm sure from their perspective it's worth a try.
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    For more information about the Senate reconciliation process, see:

    Excerpted from “MUST READ: Reconciliation - Your Guide to the GameFox News, March 22, 2010 | 11:55 AM ET
    … The entire process was created by the Budget Act of 1974; revisions and additions were made over the years …
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Lawrence O'Donnell is reporting on MSNBC that the Senate Parliamentarian has ruled in favor of the Democrats, that the reconciliation bill does not violate Section 310g.

    And with that ruling the GOP's last, best hope to scuttle the bill is dismissed. Now, all the Republicans can hope for is to knock off a piece or add a piece and force the bill back to the House for a quick ratification. It is clear reconciliation will proceed and President Barack Obama will sign the corrections bill quite soon.
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    A second source …

    Excerpted from “Senate Democrats get favorable ruling” By MANU RAJU, Politico, 3/22/10 9:19 PM EDT
    A ruling by Senate parliamentarian Alan Frumin handed Democrats a major victory Monday night, beating back a GOP push to declare a key tax proposal in the health care bill out of order.

    After hearing arguments on both sides, Frumin said that Democratic plans to push back an excise tax on so-called Cadillac insurance plans until 2018 was within the purview of budget rules allowable under the filibuster-proof reconciliation process. The GOP had argued it was beyond the scope of the five-year budgetary window allowed under the rules, and it was a violation of the so-called Byrd rule because of its changes to the Social Security law. …
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Lawrence O'Donnell is reporting on MSNBC that the Senate Parliamentarian has ruled in favor of the Democrats, that the reconciliation bill does not violate Section 310g.

    And with that ruling the GOP's last, best hope to scuttle the bill is dismissed. Now, all the Republicans can hope for is to knock off a piece or add a piece and force the bill back to the House for a quick ratification. It is clear reconciliation will proceed and President Barack Obama will sign the corrections bill quite soon.
    There will be other attempts to derail the bill.
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    There will be other attempts to derail the bill.
    No doubt, but this failed challenge was the one that could have killed the whole bill with one shot. But, now we know, it's not going to happen. All the Republicans can do now is knock off a piece here or there or add a piece here or there. The whole measure is no longer under threat.
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Well, they are going to try the constitutionality of the bill. States are also filing law suits over this (I believe 12 have law suits). They main thing is challenging the constitutionality of forcing Americans to purchase a private service.

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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Well, they are going to try the constitutionality of the bill. States are also filing law suits over this (I believe 12 have law suits). They main thing is challenging the constitutionality of forcing Americans to purchase a private service.
    12?? Try 38.


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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    12?? Try 38.
    the last time I heard the news it was at 12. 38 is amazing though, so more than half the US states are filing a law suit against this? that should say something to Washington.

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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    the last time I heard the news it was at 12. 38 is amazing though, so more than half the US states are filing a law suit against this? that should say something to Washington.
    Yeah?? And here's Odimwit's response to the American People:




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