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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I didn't say all of them. But I did list the benefits of the current bill.
    Fair enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We have will have a greater number of Americans with accessibility to affordable health care.
    Says who, anyone without a pre existing condition won't get any help for 4 more years and that's assuming they even buy insurance in the first place.

    That mandate, as far as I can tell, has no teeth.
    You don't even have to pay the fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its all speculation. Perhaps if Doctors did that it might be the impetus for true nationalized health care.
    That just won't happen, even the president has alluded that the "doc fix" will be done later this year, he just made a lousy excuse as to why it wasn't included in the bill.

    Anyone honest, knows that it was excluded because it would blow the touted deficit reduction.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And what if they find a way to pay for it?
    If if's and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry christmas.

    That should of been done before they planned to spend.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We'll just have to wait and see, won't we?
    I can't believe you support legislating things that cost as much as this based on "what if's" and "wait and see's."
    No wonder most Americans don't live fiscally responsible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Such is the nature of a Republic.
    That doesn't make things right.
    If you truly believed in doing the right thing, you wouldn't support Democrats or Republicans legislating with bribery and deception.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I know it will work better for more people than our present system, and that it will be easier now to tweak and amend so that eventually we might have what the rest of the industrialized world has, affordable health care for all its citizens. Does that make me happy? Quite so! It has more promise than our present system, which is unsustainable. Afraid I have to go with what is sustainable and provides medical care to the most people.

    I think America has the capacity to provide for its people as well as the rest of the industrialized world.
    Again your using talking points.

    What happens when Republicans get control?
    What if they want to amend it to reduce coverage?
    How is this sustainable, there is no clear way that it will be paid for?

    Sounds to me like you got hustled.
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I didn't say all of them. But I did list the benefits of the current bill.
    and you did an outstanding job, best i've seen, i think, anywhere

    too bad so little of it's paid for

    We have will have a greater number of Americans with accessibility to affordable health care.
    absolutely

    but unfortunately with insufficient funding---at the medicare level, at the state level, at the pay-for-docs level

    listen to the governors, they're not lying to you

    what is in this bill will truly and genuinely destroy state budgets already busted, california's, new york's...

    Its all speculation.
    speculation?

    LOL!

    that cutting doc pay by 22% in a year is gonna create LESS docs?

    LOLOL!

    well, put it this way---it's not gonna make for MORE

    silly

    Perhaps if Doctors did that it might be the impetus for true nationalized health care.
    well, there's one way to look at a catastrophic shortage of medical care

    and rather disturbingly revealing

    And what if they find a way to pay for it?
    what if fairies fly?

    the point is---they haven't

    We'll just have to wait and see, won't we?
    LOL!

    now, there's a real confidence builder

    Such is the nature of a Republic.
    true, and thanks for the 5th grade civics, i guess

    I know it will work better for more people than our present system
    my daughter knows it won't

    so i guess we're even

    and that it will be easier now to tweak and amend
    tweak and amend?

    LOL!

    can you hear yourself?

    so that eventually we might have what the rest of the industrialized world has, affordable health care for all its citizens.
    and as we wave goodbye to the happy island of fairy tale dreams, we strain our ears for the barely heard refrains of lennon's airy imagine

    with all up-to-date lyrics, of course...
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Yes so much better then being one of those "Christ" centric countries. Feeding the hungry healing the sick. "Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me." and all that other stuff

    I wonder what type of health care system we would have if those were our guiding principles.

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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Everybody has different opinions about that. Here's another:
    White House, experts: Health care suit will fail - Yahoo! News

    no, of course not, what a silly question

    it's simply beyond idiocy to suggest that TWO THIRDS of all this expansion can be paid for by rooting it out
    I'll go with the non-partisan CBO's call on that.


    i know the DOC FIX was not in the bill, that's why obama's claims that all this is paid for are so bogus
    Why would you need to pay for something that is not in the bill?


    10 years of taxes and 6 years of benefits is responsible pay-for?
    Yes, that is what people do when they don't wish to add to their debt, they save up the money before they make a purchase. I know it seems odd for our country to be paying as we go, this but it is the responsible thing to do.

    a big transition is an understatement, if you don't go out and buy that really expensive PRIVATE product under the provisions of this bill you will be DEEMED more illegal than undocumented jose
    Why should be people with the ability to pay for their health insurance be able to skate and then we pay for their care when they go to the emergency room to be admitted. If you prefer we can go with either the public option or the single payer system. I thought they made better sense but the Republicans were opposed to that route.

    the cornhusker kickback? the gatoraid exemption? the seiu sellout and bismarck bankjob?
    Let me provide you with some updates ~

    There is no longer a cornhusker/gatoraid deal.

    "To their credit, the Obama administration and Congressional leaders opted not to end the Nebraska provision but to make it universal. The health care bill will pay for all Medicaid expansion costs until 2020, after which it will pay for 90 percent. But this likely would not have happened without Nelson’s original deal, and his subsequent suggestion that it be expanded. More distressingly, the outrage over the deal makes for a perverse incentive, one that may discourage future efforts of Senators and Congressmen to help the poor in their states and districts. Caring for the less fortunate is a sign of humanity, not corruption, and the Nelson deal’s critics should be ashamed of suggesting otherwise."
    In Defense of the Cornhusker Kickback | The Harvard Crimson


    no, the public option was removed to allow the possibility of passage

    it was opposed by way too many dems
    So no Republicans opposed the public option? Which ones supported it.

    i know, there's some pretty good stuff included in the 2700 pages
    Yes there is.

    too bad it's not paid for
    Not only is it paid for, it will reduce to deficit according to the non-partisan CBO.

    too bad he didn't go about securing some of these good things in a more responsible fashion
    Who is he? Its a congressional bill.

    he wouldn't have had to THREATEN to DEEM it if he had
    He???? Regardless, it passed congress by a majority without Deem and Pass.
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Sounds to me like you got hustled.
    Hell no we can't, right?

    That's one way to go. I choose the other direction.
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Hell no we can't, right?

    That's one way to go. I choose the other direction.
    That's not at all what I said.

    Are you one of those silly people that believe, it's either the Democrat's way or the highway?
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's not at all what I said.

    Are you one of those silly people that believe, it's either the Democrat's way or the highway?
    I am one of those people that see no purpose in beating a dead horse.

    The bill has passed already and been signed into law. If you have suggestions as to how the bill can be improved, then you should get them off to your congressman.

    There are many improvements that are already planned for the bill. What are your ideas?
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Everybody has different opinions about that. Here's another:
    White House, experts: Health care suit will fail - Yahoo! News
    of course the challenge will fail, you're missing the point

    the meaning of the story is the states are seriously screwed in that their burdens have been so greatly expanded with no funding, you know, an unfunded mandate

    I'll go with the non-partisan CBO's call on that.
    the cbo endorsed what the president said "on that," two thirds of all that obamacare contemplates is "paid for" by savings supposedly discovered and recovered from waste, fraud and abuse

    it's at 4:45 of the link i provided, i have it memorized, i've cited it so often

    Why would you need to pay for something that is not in the bill?
    because it costs real money, silly

    cuz it should have been part of the bill

    cuz it's DISHONEST to take it out of the bill and say everything's paid for

    hello

    Yes, that is what people do when they don't wish to add to their debt, they save up the money before they make a purchase.
    ok, but not many do in times like these

    it's not the way the plan was sold altho it's a central part of the pay-for

    the pay-for's are very important

    hello

    Why should be people with the ability to pay for their health insurance be able to skate and then we pay for their care when they go to the emergency room to be admitted.
    they shouldn't

    and a better president would easily be able to solve that problem without massively expanding already overstrained medicare and medicaid mandates while cutting their funding half a tril

    he coulda accomplished these ends without forcing individuals who can't afford a product to go out and buy it themselves

    without criminalizing those who can't or won't

    a more able president would be able to fix this problem while paying for 10 years of benefits with 10 years of taxes

    an honest president would be able to solve problems without breaking so many promises

    If you prefer we can go with either the public option or the single payer system.
    no, we can't

    LOL!

    nancy just passed harry's bill

    what imaginary world are you living in?

    I thought they made better sense
    you really seem to think people care about your opinions

    this isn't a game, harry's and nancy's obama-bill is real

    but the Republicans were opposed to that route.
    yup, still are, always will be

    There is no longer a cornhusker/gatoraid deal.
    well, actually there is, times fifty

    and there's still all that sweetheart crap for dakota and dodd and baucus' asbestos and the seiu and the secret deal for phrma, which we haven't talked about yet

    you see, i don't want to talk about my opinions, i respect that you could care less

    it's just what's in the bill that's interesting

    that's a very weak link, the harvard crimson's defense of the kickback

    i'd never use it

    can you perceive what would happen to the despised prof if he ever posted so partisan an opinion piece?

    So no Republicans opposed the public option? Which ones supported it.
    you had sixty senators, a majority of 39 downstairs

    it's a weak leadership that blames opposition for its failures

    Not only is it paid for, it will reduce to deficit according to the non-partisan CBO.
    true, but only based on half a T cuts to m and m while massively expanding both

    only based on the payment of doctors a living wage, off budget

    only based on the double counting of a quarter T, according to cbo

    only based on bankrupt states magically picking up 200B of obama's tab without a lincoln penny of federal support

    and quite a bit more

    Who is he?
    this is getting absurd

    "he" is the president, the leader of the party, the prime mover behind health care, the guy at least 20 of the 219 did it for personally

    Regardless, it passed congress by a majority without Deem and Pass.
    you're starting to bore yourself

    this bill is a pig
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post

    this bill is a pig
    Thanks for your opinion!
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Spoken like a true Lib.
    My caption was much closer to the truth than the original.

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