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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

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    Dems ditch 'deem and pass,' moving toward an up-or-down vote - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

    speculation...

    about possibilities...

    LOLOLOL!

    why don't pissy progressives post links?
    Not sure what is the point you are trying to make here Prof. No one is denying Deem and Pass was Plan B for the Democrats.

    The point I made is that it was not necessary. The Democrats showed they had a spine by actually living up to their campaign promise and used their majority vote to pass HCR.
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

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    Not sure what is the point you are trying to make here Prof. No one is denying Deem and Pass was Plan B for the Democrats.

    The point I made is that it was not necessary. The Democrats showed they had a spine by actually living up to their campaign promise and used their majority vote to pass HCR.
    The point is, the House passed a bill that made them want to puke, but it was their only option. They had to do it by writing an executive order (worthless) to get a Dem to vote against an amendment that HE wrote.

    Now, they have to reconcile it, not for details, but for huge components of the bill, while on the other hand fighting states who are suing over the legislation for constitutional reasons, and for the inevitable bankruptcy it will cause for many states. THAT IS NOT WHAT RECONCILATION IS FOR.

    Next, when the GOP takes over in November, they will not fund the thing, so it sits stagnant. Then, when they win the white house in 2012, they will repeal the whole damned awful bill, and reintroduce the good points as seperate bills one by one.

    So congrats. Yesterday is looking more like a photo op every second. (And that was unseemly yesterday; millions of people suffering while they held their own little political pep rally/pillow fight for the cameras.)

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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Not sure what is the point you are trying to make here Prof. No one is denying Deem and Pass was Plan B for the Democrats.
    the point i'm making, not trying to make, is---the DEEM was really DUMB politics

    and it wasn't PLAN B

    at least not until SUNDAY

    take care, my classy friend from the other side

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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

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    The point is, the House passed a bill that made them want to puke, but it was their only option. They had to do it by writing an executive order (worthless) to get a Dem to vote against an amendment that HE wrote.
    That's what happens when you try to draft a bipartisan bill that one party is out to stop at any cost. Have you actually read the executive order, it states that abortion is not funded in the HCR as per the already existing Hyde Amendment. It was merely personal assurance from the president for the Democrats who were unclear on that.

    Now, they have to reconcile it, not for details, but for huge components of the bill, while on the other hand fighting states who are suing over the legislation for constitutional reasons, and for the inevitable bankruptcy it will cause for many states. THAT IS NOT WHAT RECONCILATION IS FOR.
    Please cite your source that reconciliation will be legally challenged? As for the frivolous lawsuits that have been filed for supposed constitutional reasons, its just a waste of taxpayers money.

    Next, when the GOP takes over in November, they will not fund the thing, so it sits stagnant. Then, when they win the white house in 2012, they will repeal the whole damned awful bill, and reintroduce the good points as seperate bills one by one.
    That's what McCain thinks too, that the legal challenges will not be successful. Well, I guess everyone has to have a dream! Keep dreaming my friend!

    So congrats.
    Thanks, it is refreshing to see our representatives finally follow through on their campaign promises. Haven't seen that in decades!
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the point i'm making, not trying to make, is---the DEEM was really DUMB politics

    and it wasn't PLAN B

    at least not until SUNDAY

    take care, my classy friend from the other side

    Your point is moot. The bill was passed by majority vote.
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    you wish

    unfortunately everyone SAW it

    cuz it's all leadership TALKED about in that CRUCIAL week

    you can't just ERASE the TAPE

    cuz the TAPE is non PARTISAN

    i understand your NEED, however, to TRY

    it was really GROSS

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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    you wish

    unfortunately everyone SAW it....
    What everyone saw was what occurred, HCR passed by majority vote, fulfilling the 2008 election mandate.
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    radical reform of 1/6 of united states society was CRAMMED down america's throat with the backing of only EIGHTY PERCENT of the president's OWN CAUCUS

    pathetic

    and pointedly problematic politically

    social security, medicare and the civil rights act all enjoyed MAJORITY support from the opposition

    in contrast, obamacare came within a DAY of a DEEM

    LOL!

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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Have you actually read the executive order, it states that abortion is not funded in the HCR as per the already existing Hyde Amendment.
    clearly, stupak disagreed

    it is refreshing to see our representatives finally follow through on their campaign promises
    campaign promises...

    LOL!

    transparency

    cspan

    reaching across aisles

    ending divides

    not taxing lower and middle classes

    not taxing benefits

    not imposing personal mandates

    paying as you go

    not burdening states with 200B of unfunded demands

    paying for 2/3 of all this crap by recovering waste, fraud and abuse...

    campaign promises fulfilled---LOL!

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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    radical reform of 1/6 of united states society was CRAMMED down america's throat with the backing of only EIGHTY PERCENT of the president's OWN CAUCUS

    pathetic

    and pointedly problematic politically

    social security, medicare and the civil rights act all enjoyed MAJORITY support from the opposition

    in contrast, obamacare came within a DAY of a DEEM

    LOL!
    Majority vote is how things are passed in a Republic. I will grant you it is remarkable that Representatives actually followed through on their campaign promises, making this historic victory for the people even more impressive.

    Of course you may deem to stick with the "no we can't" theme if you think it will help you in the next elections.
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