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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    Yeah?? And here's Odimwit's response to the American People:


    And in November we will see America's response to the Odimwit. He may give the finger to the people and arrogantly talk about how he has "listened" to us, but it's all going to bite him soon enough.

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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Well, they are going to try the constitutionality of the bill. States are also filing law suits over this (I believe 12 have law suits). They main thing is challenging the constitutionality of forcing Americans to purchase a private service.
    The experts are saying it is unlikely the courts would overturn the Health care reform on Constitutional grounds as there is precedence:

    "But these lawsuits seem as frivolous as the tort cases Republicans rally against. As Professor Timothy Jost of Washington & Lee University School of Law explained this morning on Washington Journal, “under the constitution as it has been interpreted by the Supreme Court — and that is really our constitution. Everyone has their own interpretation, but constitutional law is made by the Supreme Court — over the last 80 years, I do not see any serious problem with this legislation, and Congress did not either.” Jost noted that the individual requirement, which does not apply to anyone who is under the filing limit of $12,000 for individuals or $16,000 for couples or levy a criminal penalty for those who go without insurance — will likely stand up to a constitutional challenge:

    JOST: Well, what the Virginia law says is, ‘nobody can make our citizens buy health insurance.’ They can say what they want to. But under the supremacy clause, a sate cannot tell the federal government what to do…the Commerce Clause says Congress has the authority to regulate commerce among the states. And since the 1930’s, that power has been interpreted very broadly….basically, the law now is that if there is any kind of economic activity involved, Congress has the power to regulate it. And of course Congress does. We have lots of federal laws, regulating all sorts of economic activity. The decision of when to buy insurance — do I buy it now when I’m healthy or do I buy it once I’m in not ambulance on the way to the hospital — is an economic decision and Congress clearly has the power to regulate it. And once Congress has the power to do something under the supremacy clause, its laws are supreme to the laws of the states and the tenth amendment only provides that states retain powers that are not granted to Congress."

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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    The ruling today by the Senate Parliamentarian leaves the Senate Republicans with very little that they can do but delay the inevitable.

    It couldn't happen to a nastier bunch of guys who have consistently misled the people about the many benefits of this moderate health reform program.
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The ruling today by the Senate Parliamentarian leaves the Senate Republicans with very little that they can do but delay the inevitable.

    It couldn't happen to a nastier bunch of guys who have consistently misled the people about the many benefits of this moderate health reform program.
    Good lord, do you really believe that?
    Are you really that naive?

    I swear any time someone who doesn't agree with you, tries to compromise, you must cover your eyes and ears.
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Good lord, do you really believe that?
    Are you really that naive?

    I swear any time someone who doesn't agree with you, tries to compromise, you must cover your eyes and ears.
    It is a drone. Pay it no heed.

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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The ruling today by the Senate Parliamentarian leaves the Senate Republicans with very little that they can do but delay the inevitable.

    It couldn't happen to a nastier bunch of guys who have consistently misled the people about the many benefits of this moderate health reform program.
    Its time to move on. Obama is about to tackle immigration reform.

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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Its time to move on. Obama is about to tackle immigration reform.
    It should be interesting to see how badly he will **** that up. He's set the bar pretty high with this health care debacle.

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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    It is a drone. Pay it no heed.
    It's probably one of the most irritating things in the world for someone to make claims but never defend them without flowery speeches and no facts.

    Annoyance meter is blinking red.
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    It should be interesting to see how badly he will **** that up. He's set the bar pretty high with this health care debacle.
    You will not like whats in store for immigration "reform."
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You will not like whats in store for immigration "reform."
    I happen to have a little experience in that particular arena, and I didn't think it could be any worse than it is now. However, I wouldn't be surprised if Obama & Co. are looking to "make history" there, too.

    God help us.

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