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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    yes, and gop parliamentarians forced the party in power to INCLUDE veteran heroes who've suffered amputations in the NEW TAX obamacare IMPOSES on PROSTHETICS and other medical DEVICES

    obamacare---EXEMPTIONS FOR THE SEIU

    AND EXTRA TAXES FOR WOUNDED WARRIORS WHO'VE LOST A LIMB!
    Are you saying this a good thing to force the Democrats to include? Don't quite follow you here? Do you have a link to this Parliamentarian decision, because I have not seen it.
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Your point is moot. The bill was passed by majority vote.
    Tell me...
    When a SCotUS decision goes 5-4 against the leftist position, it is dismissed as being along 'partisan lines' - that is, it apparently has no real meaning.

    Given that, how do you describe a bill that passes with three votes past the required simple majority?

    (Hint: the answer is the same for the SCotUS decision)

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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    i'm saying it's gonna be one hellacious looking AD

    i don't have a link, i heard it on ksfo560, abc affiliate here in the bay area

    of course it's true, it was the very purpose of the gop amendment process

    ie, politics at its most normal

    there IS a link for the SEX DRUGS FOR SEX OFFENDERS the dems were forced to ASSENT to

    Republicans send health care bill back to House for another vote - Meredith Shiner and Chris Frates - POLITICO.com

    i don't like that one as much, tho, it's kinda silly season sounding

    EXEMPTIONS FOR THE SEIU, TAXES FOR ONE LEGGED WARRIORS, however---THAT's gonna be one helluva ad

    you see, we're PREPARING

    your side better get READY

    cuz HERE WE COME

    DEFEND THE PIG

    (nothing personal, pure politics)

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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Tell me...
    When a SCotUS decision goes 5-4 against the leftist position, it is dismissed as being along 'partisan lines' - that is, it apparently has no real meaning.

    Given that, how do you describe a bill that passes with three votes past the required simple majority?
    When the Supreme Court decision goes 5 - 4 against a progressive position, it is the law of the land, just as it is when it goes against a conservative position. That is if you believe in the rule of law, which I do.

    There are some that don't believe in the rule of law however. Some still think SS and M/M are unconstitutional, even though they have been upheld by the Supreme Court.

    As far as Congressional legislation goes, it only requires a simple majority to pass. Otherwise, the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, passed by a simple majority, would have been struck down as unconstitutional.
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    i'm saying it's gonna be one hellacious looking AD

    i don't have a link, i heard it on ksfo560, abc affiliate here in the bay area

    of course it's true, it was the very purpose of the gop amendment process

    ie, politics at its most normal

    there IS a link for the SEX DRUGS FOR SEX OFFENDERS the dems were forced to ASSENT to

    Republicans send health care bill back to House for another vote - Meredith Shiner and Chris Frates - POLITICO.com

    i don't like that one as much, tho, it's kinda silly season sounding

    EXEMPTIONS FOR THE SEIU, TAXES FOR ONE LEGGED WARRIORS, however---THAT's gonna be one helluva ad

    you see, we're PREPARING

    your side better get READY

    cuz HERE WE COME

    DEFEND THE PIG

    (nothing personal, pure politics)
    DAMN Prof.. I think I got a chubby!
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    DAMN Prof.. I think I got a chubby!
    Yep a regular ole conservative circle jerk, big surprise.

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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    When the Supreme Court decision goes 5 - 4 against a progressive position, it is the law of the land, just as it is when it goes against a conservative position. That is if you believe in the rule of law, which I do.
    So you fully accept the vailidity of Bush v Gore, Heller v DC, etc.
    Good to hear.

    There are some that don't believe in the rule of law however. Some still think SS and M/M are unconstitutional, even though they have been upheld by the Supreme Court.
    That a court decides a certain way doesnt necessarily mean that they way it decided had a sound argument behind it; that decisions are overturned illustrates the validity of that point.

    As far as Congressional legislation goes, it only requires a simple majority to pass. Otherwise, the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, passed by a simple majority, would have been struck down as unconstitutional.
    Based on.... what?

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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So you fully accept the vailidity of Bush v Gore, Heller v DC, etc.
    Good to hear.
    You haven't seen me breaking out windows or threatening people have you?

    That a court decides a certain way doesnt necessarily mean that they way it decided had a sound argument behind it; that decisions are overturned illustrates the validity of that point.
    Right. And how many years have SS/M/M been upheld (not overturned)???

    Based on.... what?
    Based on the Congressional rules.
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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You haven't seen me breaking out windows or threatening people have you?
    A simple yes will suffice.

    That a court decides a certain way doesnt necessarily mean that they way it decided had a sound argument behind it; that decisions are overturned illustrates the validity of that point.
    Right.
    I know - but thanks anyway.

    Based on the Congressional rules.
    Specifically, what congressional rule would support the court overturning the 2001/2003 tax cuts?

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    Re: Parliamentarian Weighing GOP Challenge to Reconciliation Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I know - but thanks anyway.
    Does that mean you are not going to answer my previous question to you?

    "how many years have SS/M/M been upheld (not overturned)???"


    Specifically, what congressional rule would support the court overturning the 2001/2003 tax cuts?
    You misinterpreted my statement. I did not say there was a Congressional rule that could overturn the Bush tax cuts passed by simple majority vote on a reconciliation bill. What I am saying is the the same rules that made the Bush tax cut legislation legal by a majority vote, makes the HCR legislation legal by a majority vote.
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