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Health Care Bill has passed

progressives, how do you expand medicare and medicaid by thirty one mil while at the same time cutting their funding by half a T?

does that not seem like a lot of money to you?

why haven't you thought of these things?

aren't you a more responsible thinker than that?

i can see the president isn't

but i thought perhaps you were, or at least, you wanted to be...

how do you expand m and m by 31 mil while cutting funding MASSIVELY?

We will have to confiscate all of the old people's scooter chairs and auction them off on ebay.:roll:
 
And somehow you forgot a few polls.

PublicPolicyPolling 49 against, 45 for

Gallop 48 to 45

AP 43 to 41

Can't imagine why you skipped those polls, when I linked to RealClearPolitics that had the poll averages. Oh wait, I know, it's because those did not support what you wanted people to think.

avg: 40 favor 50.5 opposed http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

One thing for sure, a whopping majority of the country doesn't like the way the country is going.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html
 
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Everyone needs to buy an expensive cable package to ensure that we combat depression with entertainment, to combat obesity by providing quality exercise programing, to fight against unhealthy food by forcing everyone to have access to cooking stations that teach you how to prepare healthy dishes. There are so many people dying at home and suffering from depression because they don't have extended cable service. Granny is lonely at home and she is suffering because all she has is 13 channels. We must fight against all this by forcing everyone to purchase an $800 cable package so they may have access to quality programming that will ensure a wonderful future. If you don't buy this cable package you must pay a $500 fine per month. Just think about it, everyone will know how to make healthy dishes, everyone can workout to the best training, and everyone can watch a transparent government on many c-span like networks. Wait never mind... scratch that last one. Anyway, for the good of America we are mandating that you should buy this cable package, or pay the fine.

someone is deprived of cable and what is their consequence

someone is deprived of health care and what is their consequence

hopefully, you will notice a difference

which should then tell you that your comparison was a lame one
 
We will have to confiscate all of the old people's scooter chairs and auction them off on ebay.:roll:

I wish all those old people would get out of my way in Walmart with their slow pokey scooter chairs. That wasn't you in front of me, was it?:2razz:
 
someone is deprived of cable and what is their consequence

someone is deprived of health care and what is their consequence

hopefully, you will notice a difference

which should then tell you that your comparison was a lame one

No one is deprived of healthcare. It's illegal to deny someone medical care when they need it. My comparison is pretty accurate, they are forcing everyone into buying a private service or making them pay a fine. It's unconstitutional and illegal. If the Republicans did this I'm sure the left would say they are in bed with big insurance business. Yet when Democrats do it it's to serve the people.
 
Prof you're making yourself look like a typical Republican/conservative stereotype.

People will only mock, ridicule and dismiss you.

We Republicans may be typical stereotypes, but it's looking more and more like we are the only ones getting it, while others are in a slow boat headed down the river of De Nile.
 
We Republicans may be typical stereotypes, but it's looking more and more like we are the only ones getting it, while others are in a slow boat headed down the river of De Nile.

Not every Republican/conservative is acting like a preteen girl that just met the Jonas Brothers.

The hysterics need to stop.
 
I'm not sure I like it. I don't even really know all of what's in it. But if healthcare wasn't already FUBAR, gov't wouldn't have had to intervene.

I think it''s good that kids can stay on their parent healthcare til 25 years of age. i think it's also good that you can not be denied based on a pre-existing condition. i think there are definitely some good things in there.



Wonderful, another bloated government program that will kill the private sector. Thanks for nothing!!!
 
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Reconstructing Iraq is costing half what the new healthcare bill will cost us as a new entitlement. Just sayin.

Can you provide evidence to support this statement?

Not trying to be a smart ass, but if you have a source that puts a dollar figure to the damage I'd like to see it.
 
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We Republicans may be typical stereotypes, but it's looking more and more like we are the only ones getting it, while others are in a slow boat headed down the river of De Nile.

Well, I have to agree on this particular issue, the GOP'er's do have the edge on public opinion. But, there are other issues they are soooo out of touch with the masses on. Take a guess on what percentage of Americans thought it was a mistake to invade Iraq. Take a guess on what the polls reflect as for who is doing a better job in the Iraqi war.

You gotta remember, just last week, the poll averages, while indicating a huge majority thought that, overall, congress was doing very poorly, the majority polled still opined that they prefered to have a democrat congress again, next election. Suggesting they lay more blame at the feet of the GOP for congress's disfunction. (I know I do.) But that was pretty close. I suspect that today, the GOP got a few points bump. But how long will that hold? It's still neck and neck.
 
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Can you provide evidence to support this statement?

Not really, unfortunately. I had heard that at the end of 10 years, after collecting taxes for those 10 years and operating at full measure of expense for 6 years, that the yearly cost of the bill going to Obama is $200 billion/year. I cannot find evidence of this after a brief web search. Furthermore, I do not know the cost of the Reconciliation Bill going to the Senate.

The Iraq AND Afghanistan wars cost $175 billion/year. I believe the Iraqi portion is $105 billion/year.
 
I expect this bill will have a restraining order slapped on it to stop it from going into effect and all the lawsuits combined and then it will end up in the SCOTUS....

I don't see how the government can force you to buy health insurance and fine you if you don't do it....Justice Kennedy will decide this thing by and 5-4 vote in favor of the people of the U.S. and Obama socialist health care will end up in the trash can where it belongs.........


Take it to the bank...........
 
Well, I have to agree on this particular issue, the GOP'er's do have the edge on public opinion. But, there are other issues they are soooo out of touch with the masses on. Take a guess on what percentage of Americans thought it was a mistake to invade Iraq. Take a guess on what the polls reflect as for who is doing a better job in the Iraqi war.

You gotta remember, just last week, the poll averages, while indicating a huge majority thought that, overall, congress was doing very poorly, the majority polled still opined that they prefered to have a democrat congress again, next election. Suggesting they lay more blame at the feet of the GOP for congress's disfunction. (I know I do.) But that was pretty close. I suspect that today, the GOP got a few points bump. But how long will that hold? It's still neck and neck.

CNN poll: 59 percent of Americans oppose just-passed health-reform bill | Jay Bookman

However, a couple of other numbers in the poll ought to undercut that optimism. Asked who they trust more to handle changes in health care, Obama or congressional Republicans, Obama remains the clear favorite, by 51-39 percent. That will be important, because once this bill clears its last congressional hurdle, Obama rather than Congress will be seen as its chief defender and proponent.

People are counting their chickens before they hatch.
 
So I decided to turn the television back to the news channels to get their commentary on this issue.

Holy **** my head is going to explode. I'm more confused now than I was when I was just reading the link that Crip gave me last night. At this time I see no direct benefit to me at this point, and that's okay. I'm fortunate in that I have health insurance and can afford it to pay my premiums. I can see where we will obviously be spending more tax dollars on this, and I'm not totally opposed to that.

However, I'm waiting for the spending offset. Where are we going to reduce in order to carry this? Are we going to end the occupation of Iraq? That would help. Are we going to end the war on drugs? That would help.

I like the idea of providing access to health care to every American. But I would like to see Congress really detail how we are going to pay for it.
 
I expect this bill will have a restraining order slapped on it to stop it from going into effect and all the lawsuits combined and then it will end up in the SCOTUS....

I don't see how the government can force you to buy health insurance and fine you if you don't do it....Justice Kennedy will decide this thing by and 5-4 vote in favor of the people of the U.S. and Obama socialist health care will end up in the trash can where it belongs.........


Take it to the bank...........

They do it with car insurance.
 
So I decided to turn the television back to the news channels to get their commentary on this issue.

Holy **** my head is going to explode. I'm more confused now than I was when I was just reading the link that Crip gave me last night. At this time I see no direct benefit to me at this point, and that's okay. I'm fortunate in that I have health insurance and can afford it to pay my premiums. I can see where we will obviously be spending more tax dollars on this, and I'm not totally opposed to that.

However, I'm waiting for the spending offset. Where are we going to reduce in order to carry this? Are we going to end the occupation of Iraq? That would help. Are we going to end the war on drugs? That would help.

I like the idea of providing access to health care to every American. But I would like to see Congress really detail how we are going to pay for it.

I did some more digging, Lerxst, and I went to the CBO Estimate itself, issued on 3/20/10.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/113xx/doc11379/Manager'sAmendmenttoReconciliationProposal.pdf

In Table 4 you will see the expenses. Now there are two sections. They are titled "Effects on Insurance Coverage", which is counting covered people, and "Effects on the Federal Deficit", which is in Billions of dollars. I am looking at the column for 2019, when the program is fully ramped up.

Under "Effects on the Federal Deficit", for 2019, the Total is $172 billion.
 
They do it with car insurance.

If you don't drive a car you don't need car insurance my left wing friend........In regards to helath insurance you have no choice....You will buy it or pay a fine........try again..........
 
No one is deprived of healthcare. It's illegal to deny someone medical care when they need it. My comparison is pretty accurate, they are forcing everyone into buying a private service or making them pay a fine. It's unconstitutional and illegal. If the Republicans did this I'm sure the left would say they are in bed with big insurance business. Yet when Democrats do it it's to serve the people.

if you were actually right, then there would be no need for this bill ... the one you are so opposed to having been successful
 
It's truly breathtaking how ignorant our electorate is. Reading some of these posts, one can really appreciate just how worthless our education system is in this country...

Watching people cheer legislation which steals wealth from some Americans to give to others is sickening enough, but what is really astonishing is observing these useful idiots essentially cheering their own demise. It would be like watching the Jews in 1945 hooraying and tickling each other on they gleefully ran into the gas chamber.

The nation was in very deep financial trouble before this bill was ever passed--this is indisputable. Economic calamity and massive government spending in the past 2 years has catapulted the debt to an astronomical level. Social security is already upside down and Medicare is well on its way. The fact that our government assessed this situation, and then decided it would be prudent to pass another entitlement program is clear evidence that they have no intention of addressing the economic catastrophe looming over the horizon. Think about that for a moment. If you aren't concerned, then you don't understand the predicament this nation is in.

Ron Paul has it exactly right. Is this bill going to be repealed? Of course it's going to be repealed. It's going to be repealed by a national bankruptcy.
 
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avg: 40 favor 50.5 opposed RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Obama and Democrats' Health Care Plan

One thing for sure, a whopping majority of the country doesn't like the way the country is going.

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Obama and Democrats' Health Care Plan

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I. Think about that for a moment. If you aren't concerned, then you don't understand the predicament this nation is in.

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Where was your concern when Bush got us into a war that will cost more than this heathcare bill?
 
avg: 40 favor 50.5 opposed RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Obama and Democrats' Health Care Plan

One thing for sure, a whopping majority of the country doesn't like the way the country is going.

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Obama and Democrats' Health Care Plan

Whats interesting though is that they don't all oppose it for the same reasons. If you look at this poll, 13% of those opposed to it are opposed to it because it is not liberal enough (figure 21).

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/03/22/rel5a.pdf
 
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