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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Actually, now that I think of it, if the thing ever goes full blown UHC, opponents could have a "sick in" and overwhelm the system till it collapses.
    Well to tell you the truth, I'm going to milk it every which way I can.
    To the point that my subsidy covers all my insurance costs.

    I'll save a few hundred dollars a year even though I don't need it.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I do not know what our discussion has to do with subsidizing anyone.
    That's exactly what happens under a Universal Healthcare plan, it doesn't matter if you are unhealthy or not, the only thing that matters is that if you have more to take the government will take more, and everyone gets the same ****ty medical care. So you essentially at the end of this bill will be subsidizing others choices. At least under individual policies there is an incentive to be healthy to reduce premium.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well to tell you the truth, I'm going to milk it every which way I can.
    To the point that my subsidy covers all my insurance costs.

    I'll save a few hundred dollars a year even though I don't need it.
    That won't be enough, I mean everyone should bankrupt this national shame to the point it's gotta be ended.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Essentially that has already happened but instead of the costs being placed on the unhealthy people, it is spread across the spectrum of insurance customers.
    That is the point of insurance.

    That is why, even though I have a good BMI and good overall vitals (blood pressure etc.), my costs go up.
    My company raised premiums this year by 10%, even though I didn't even use my insurance, except for 2 vaccines.
    It is also because of advances in technology, but a lot of cost increase comes from drugs.

    When you get into a car accident that was your fault, your rates increase and for good reason, your behavior was bad.
    I totally disagree with this. If you get a speeding ticket your premiums go up. It ought to be covered by the pool.

    It's not right or fair and encourages unhealthy lifestyles.
    When I am unhealthy, I don't think that I am getting over the insurance companies. I just want to do what I enjoy. Fairness means nothing to me. It is surely right that risk is spread out.

    A company evaluates that of the 1000 41 year olds, 200 will smoke and of them 100 won't work out. Costs are calibrated and premiums for the entire 1000 is assessed.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    That won't be enough, I mean everyone should bankrupt this national shame to the point it's gotta be ended.
    I look at it like this.

    The more disposable cash I have, the more I can invest, which allows me to live how I want.
    For others it's a crutch, for me it's a means to an end.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    That's exactly what happens under a Universal Healthcare plan, it doesn't matter if you are unhealthy or not, the only thing that matters is that if you have more to take the government will take more, and everyone gets the same ****ty medical care. So you essentially at the end of this bill will be subsidizing others choices. At least under individual policies there is an incentive to be healthy to reduce premium.
    First, we were talking about gov't/co-op insurance for the poor, the old and the sick. Not Universal Healthcare.

    Second, a premium is assessed for each member and if they can pay, they pay. The government does not take more and more.

    Third, everyone subsidizes the poor. Maybe the elderly since we promised them Medicare. I suppose this ends up subsidizing their choices.

    Fourth, most people are covered by group plans which does nothing to provide this incentive you are talking about.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    First, we were talking about gov't/co-op insurance for the poor, the old and the sick. Not Universal Healthcare.
    The end game for this bill is UHC, Obama has already said that even before it's presidency. This is designed specifically for private insurer failure, I don't really even want to get into the messy details, but many provisions in the bill will skyrocket premiums. By 2014 the Dems are hoping the government option is the only viable one.

    Second, a premium is assessed for each member and if they can pay, they pay. The government does not take more and more.

    Third, everyone subsidizes the poor. Maybe the elderly since we promised them Medicare. I suppose this ends up subsidizing their choices.

    Fourth, most people are covered by group plans which does nothing to provide this incentive you are talking about.
    Again, none of this will matter when the next phases of Obamascam are realized.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The end game for this bill is UHC, Obama has already said that even before it's presidency. This is designed specifically for private insurer failure, I don't really even want to get into the messy details, but many provisions in the bill will skyrocket premiums. By 2014 the Dems are hoping the government option is the only viable one.

    Again, none of this will matter when the next phases of Obamascam are realized.
    Obamacare is not going to cut it.

    I am a Whig and I got my plan - co-ops at the county level funded by the local/state taxes; no more entitlements at the federal level and they drop the income tax rates.

    Someone referred me to HR 3400 as the Republican's plan and that will not cut it.

    Whigs ain't running nationally in 2012, only locally and let's keep it real - we ain't gonna get many (any) elected.

    Republicans need to come up with a real plan, with coverage for all, and run on that to take back the Congress and WH and overturn this turd.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    The voters elected Obama to change things and good or bad, that is what he did.
    Change for the sake of change. Not for the sake of making things better, just for making them different. Brilliant policy.

    Thanks a whole big ****ing lot for that.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Change for the sake of change. Not for the sake of making things better, just for making them different. Brilliant policy.

    Thanks a whole big ****ing lot for that.
    People always make this false assumption that change is good. Well, change is bad and all these people who are all so jubilant right now have no ****ing clue what's about to hit them. I'm tired of fighting this right now, so I'll await the court challenges, if this piece of **** stands I will laugh at all the poor sucker's pain when they finally see the end result of all this change. Humiliation really is appropriate for the partisan supporters of this administration and congress.
    Last edited by LaMidRighter; 03-23-10 at 10:26 PM.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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