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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I guess you dont get what I am saying. Under this new obama plan, we are forced to give these "greed mongers" our money.



    I know. We are stuck with this healthcare bill because the Republicans did not have the stones to enact their own bill 6 years ago. The republicans have no one to blame but themselves. The voters elected Obama to change things and good or bad, that is what he did.
    Healthcare reform has been in the works for 40 years and if this bill didn't pass nothing would have.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    If I owe rent and I don't pay it and refuse to move then eventually I will be forced out by the sheriff with a gun. I never had any kids but I have been forced to pay for other people's children's education. I do not complain about this because of my ideology, which is kinda socialistic. It's who I am and who you are.
    You can do whatever you want with your liberties. Squander them, not defend them, heck, not even recognize them..whatever. But if you support actively or passively interefering with the rights of others, it's no longer really your call, is the point.

    And people change. Your outlook on life at 20 can be entirely reversed at 40, or 60. I don't want a system that forces me in my 40's to live in the way I agreed with in my twenties. That's what liberty allows for, me choosing, i.e. not you, or not the majority, or not the youth choosing for the elderly, etc.

    Sadly, in arguing the liberal position for years, that's the sort of reasoning behind it? "That's just how I roll?" Insufficient for me.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Govt and insurance involvement are what went wrong. Thankfully, we just got more of the same in this new bill.
    Actually, I think it was technology and drug advances that made things so expensive. We used to die at 65.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Actually, I think it was technology and drug advances that made things so expensive. We used to die at 65.
    My implantable cardioverter defibrillator certainly was not cheap

    Well there goes the Ferrari I was saving for....

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    No, I am lazy. I smoke and don't really work out much.

    I completely disagree that their services should be for need absent poor personal health management. People come in all shapes and sizes with all kinds of habits good and bad. All should be treated equally.
    People who live unhealthy lifestyles should pay more.
    That's how it should be if you want to lower costs.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Furthermore, attempts to collect information about a patient to classify them into a risk group is a privacy issue. You just have to spread the risk that a percentage of people a certain age engages in activities that raises healthcare cost for that age. Those actuaries can do that as well.
    Again it keeps prices higher.
    I don't control it, I just know what can lower prices and increase access.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    I know. We are stuck with this healthcare bill because the Republicans did not have the stones to enact their own bill 6 years ago.
    So... the GOP is to blame for the crappy plan the Dems (almost didnt) pass?

    Wow. Partisan bigotry, raised to a new level.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    One of the problems with medicare is that the filthy rich are just as eligible as the filthy poor.
    Under "universal health care", why should the wealthy be excluded?
    If you pay into a system, you should not receive the benefits of that system?

    I guess the redistribution of wealth is more important that good faith commitments.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So... the GOP is to blame for the crappy plan the Dems (almost didnt) pass?

    Wow. Partisan bigotry, raised to a new level.
    That's BS. The republicans had ample opportunity to enact any heathcare plan. Instead they ignored the problem hoping it would go away. Now they whine that the democrats passed healthcare reform. They only have themselves to blame. The GOP had 6 years. Obama did it in one.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Under "universal health care", why should the wealthy be excluded?
    If you pay into a system, you should not receive the benefits of that system?

    I guess the redistribution of wealth is more important that good faith commitments.
    Of course the wealthy are entitled to it. The boys at AIG and Goldman Sachs are entitled.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    People who live unhealthy lifestyles should pay more.
    That's how it should be if you want to lower costs.



    Again it keeps prices higher.
    I don't control it, I just know what can lower prices and increase access.
    That is only one way to lower costs and it is not a good one. You want a large pool sharing costs. You want to lower costs for everyone. Technology and automation are the best ways to lower cost.

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