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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    One of the problems with medicare is that the filthy rich are just as eligible as the filthy poor. I don't believe that people with huge incomes should be eligible for medicare and those freaking scooter chairs cost way to much.

    Many prices in health care are artificaly cost inflated. Look what hospitals charge for an aspirin.

    I remember when doctors made house calls and people did not even need health insurance because the prices were affordable. What went wrong? Pure and simple greed in most cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's not really it.

    It's about changing behavior.
    The only way to really change it, is to make things cost more out of pocket.

    You get insurance but going to the doctor costs a bit more money than a $20 co pay.
    Using their services should be for absolute need and not because of lazy personal health management.
    (Not calling you lazy but many people handle their health in a lazy manner.)
    No, I am lazy. I smoke and don't really work out much.

    I completely disagree that their services should be for need absent poor personal health management. People come in all shapes and sizes with all kinds of habits good and bad. All should be treated equally.

    Furthermore, attempts to collect information about a patient to classify them into a risk group is a privacy issue. You just have to spread the risk that a percentage of people a certain age engages in activities that raises healthcare cost for that age. Those actuaries can do that as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Lifestyle choices and risk. Underwriters are hired to accept or deny applications based upon statistics, risk, and other factors. Actuaries calculate literally every scenario imaginable and use real world data to class risk, and they are damn good at what they do; they can tell you how many people of every demographic will suffer x the next fiscal year within +/- one life.

    The way things work in life, certain occupations are found to statistically have more risky behaviors, as well, things like an OWI show a risk taking lifestyle, meaning your odds of dying young increase. Health adds an additional twist: Your lifestyle could lead to illnesses, and conditions can lead to an increase in use of care, so much like in car insurance where a bad driver will have a hell of a time finding insurance an unhealthy person is treated as a walking crapshoot. It's not a great thing to have to say that, but it is the statistical and numerical reality of health.
    As I mentioned, it is a privacy issue. Would you find it acceptable for the insurance company to request a DNA sample? Behavior is the same thing.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Lifestyle choices and risk. Underwriters are hired to accept or deny applications based upon statistics, risk, and other factors. Actuaries calculate literally every scenario imaginable and use real world data to class risk, and they are damn good at what they do; they can tell you how many people of every demographic will suffer x the next fiscal year within +/- one life.

    The way things work in life, certain occupations are found to statistically have more risky behaviors, as well, things like an OWI show a risk taking lifestyle, meaning your odds of dying young increase. Health adds an additional twist: Your lifestyle could lead to illnesses, and conditions can lead to an increase in use of care, so much like in car insurance where a bad driver will have a hell of a time finding insurance an unhealthy person is treated as a walking crapshoot. It's not a great thing to have to say that, but it is the statistical and numerical reality of health.
    The republican would like to use the "Book Of The Dead" to guide who gets health care.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post

    I remember when doctors made house calls and people did not even need health insurance because the prices were affordable. What went wrong? Pure and simple greed in most cases.
    Govt and insurance involvement are what went wrong. Thankfully, we just got more of the same in this new bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Govt and insurance involvement are what went wrong. Thankfully, we just got more of the same in this new bill.
    No, greed and the profit motive created the currant health system. It's not what's best for the patient it's how do we maximize profits.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    No, greed and the profit motive created the currant health system. It's not what's best for the patient it's how do we maximize profits.



    yet now, we force people to buy from these "greed mongers".. Success!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Govt and insurance involvement are what went wrong. Thankfully, we just got more of the same in this new bill.
    It's interesting that humoral medicine was the paradigm for hundreds of years into the 1800's.

    In colonial Virginia an enema costs approximately twenty five pounds of tobacco, purging was fifty pounds of tobacco, blood letting about the same, etc.

    The origins of most health care providers came from various religions who provided it to people mostly for moral reasons instead of a bean counting enterprise that it is today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    yet now, we force people to buy from these "greed mongers".. Success!!!!!
    Yeah it sucks.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Yeah it sucks.



    I guess you dont get what I am saying. Under this new obama plan, we are forced to give these "greed mongers" our money.



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