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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Seriously, I am nervous about this because I don't fully understand it. The proponents make just as strong a case as the opponents. And this thing is so huge I can't even begin to anticipate the impact it may or may not have on the economy.

    One thing is for sure as far as I'm concerned, there are a lot of extremist comments from both sides of this argument. I've been hearing that this country was doomed and going to explode, implode, go up in smoke, freeze, and everything else for years. The partisan hype machines always make these claims and the screamers pick up on it.

    We're still here. How about somebody tell me how this bill will devastate the economy? How about somebody tell me how this bill won't devastate the economy. Because I see no definitive proof either way. And that's a problem. This thing is so muddy to me that I don't know whether to be happy (small business owner struggling with health insurance premiums in excess of $800 a month for my family on a plan that is not that great in my opinion) or be terrified (small business owner struggling with health insurance premiums in excess of $800 dollars a month for my family with what might be a better plan than I'll get through this thing).

    I really do believe in the idea of every man, woman, and child having ready access to adequate health care. I just have to admit I have no idea what the ramifications of plan to provide that really are.
    Don,t worry about it Lex, i,ve seen the same scare tactics used once before in my lifetime, that was when medicare was passed.

    Almost looks like I have entered a damn time warp seeing the same lies being rolled out
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by aaronssongs View Post
    I pay taxes, just like everybody else. Problem is, I don't get to decide on how my taxes are spent...both of my Texas Senators are Republicans, John Cornyn, and Kay Bailey Hutchinson, whom I loathe with every breath in me.
    I hate that my taxes are going for 2 illegal wars, that was started by the previous administration....so I feel you, on having to pay for BS.
    Thank you for bringing up this point. However, I will disagree with you on Afghan. I had to stomach Iraq, now the GOP has to stomach this bill. Congress voted, we ended up in Iraq. Congress voted, we have health care. Didn't conservatives fear civil rights legislation, social security, and Medicare for seniors.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    And thus America begins it's decline with thunderous applause. The American people just got ignored, the special interests of the insurance companies just won, and the American people just got smacked in the face. Tonight is a real Obummer. Let's hope the courts can shoot down this illegal legislation.
    The American people didn't get ignored. A fringe group got ignored.
    The majority of Americans supported healthcare reform and many more would have joined that fray, had it not been for the lies and negative spin by the Republicans and the Tea Partiers, and Fox News.
    The Republicans clearly have been in the pockets of lobbyists of the insurance and drug companies...and it was in their best interest to kill the bill, apparently at all costs.
    Having been on both sides of the fence as a provider of healthcare and an auditor of private insurance hospital stays, I can say that neither industry has the consumer's best interest at heart. This is a win for the American people, even with a flawed bill.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Thank you for bringing up this point. However, I will disagree with you on Afghan. I had to stomach Iraq, now the GOP has to stomach this bill. Congress voted, we ended up in Iraq. Congress voted, we have health care. Didn't conservatives fear civil rights legislation, social security, and Medicare for seniors.
    Yeah, but why?

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    We're still here. How about somebody tell me how this bill will devastate the economy? How about somebody tell me how this bill won't devastate the economy. Because I see no definitive proof either way. And that's a problem. This thing is so muddy to me that I don't know whether to be happy (small business owner struggling with health insurance premiums in excess of $800 a month for my family on a plan that is not that great in my opinion) or be terrified (small business owner struggling with health insurance premiums in excess of $800 dollars a month for my family with what might be a better plan than I'll get through this thing).
    Very simple, every single company on the stock exchange has money invested in insurance companies, this bill targets them for destruction. If "big insurance" goes down, everyone else loses money. There is a reason health insurance is called 1/6 of the U.S. economy. You won't get better or even equivalent insurance through the public "option" because the government cannot possibly manage or fund it, it will be overused, and will constantly eat away at our coffers. Certain voters wanted cancer, and cancer won. Hooray cancer!{sarcasm off}

    I really do believe in the idea of every man, woman, and child having ready access to adequate health care. I just have to admit I have no idea what the ramifications of plan to provide that really are.
    No one knows the true magnitude of the pain coming, but I guarantee it will be worse than a Celine Dion concert.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I'm in Texas too, Aaron. Where you at?
    Houston, Heights.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by aaronssongs View Post
    The American people didn't get ignored. A fringe group got ignored.
    The majority of Americans supported healthcare reform and many more would have joined that fray, had it not been for the lies and negative spin by the Republicans and the Tea Partiers, and Fox News.
    The Republicans clearly have been in the pockets of lobbyists of the insurance and drug companies...and it was in their best interest to kill the bill, apparently at all costs.
    Having been on both sides of the fence as a provider of healthcare and an auditor of private insurance hospital stays, I can say that neither industry has the consumer's best interest at heart. This is a win for the American people, even with a flawed bill.
    A fringe group that constitutes the majority of American?! There is no spin, just facts. The spin is the emotional appeal that the Democrats try to use in order to make us feel heartsick over people dying because of evil insurance companies. Yet we are rewarding the special interests of these companies by illegally forcing everyone to give money to them. True the insurance companies don't have people's best interests at heart, but neither does the Democrat party and that shows with their rewarding the insurance companies and with their ignoring the majority of America.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by aaronssongs View Post
    The American people didn't get ignored. A fringe group got ignored.
    The majority of Americans supported healthcare reform and many more would have joined that fray, had it not been for the lies and negative spin by the Republicans and the Tea Partiers, and Fox News.
    The Republicans clearly have been in the pockets of lobbyists of the insurance and drug companies...and it was in their best interest to kill the bill, apparently at all costs.
    Having been on both sides of the fence as a provider of healthcare and an auditor of private insurance hospital stays, I can say that neither industry has the consumer's best interest at heart. This is a win for the American people, even with a flawed bill.
    Goodness, do you not know that, initially, insurance companies and drug companies will get a very nice pay out from this.

    You didn't even read the bill.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by aaronssongs View Post
    The American people didn't get ignored. A fringe group got ignored.
    The majority of Americans supported healthcare reform and many more would have joined that fray, had it not been for the lies and negative spin by the Republicans and the Tea Partiers, and Fox News.
    The Republicans clearly have been in the pockets of lobbyists of the insurance and drug companies...and it was in their best interest to kill the bill, apparently at all costs.
    Having been on both sides of the fence as a provider of healthcare and an auditor of private insurance hospital stays, I can say that neither industry has the consumer's best interest at heart. This is a win for the American people, even with a flawed bill.
    I don't get it. Why do those that were against the bill, think that Insurance companies and corporations are really going to help them? Insurance companies, special interest groups, and conservative pundits were the ones that would have won had the bill not passed.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    The wars were not illegal....

    Enjoy you ****ing free healthcare,...

    Here's to the fact that it will be worth what you ****ing paid for it.

    The wars most certainly were illegal, and ill-conceived. Bin Laden got away, didn't he?
    I have healthcare, so I'm not the least affected by the bill. And I don't mind paying taxes or higher premiums if it means that some of my fellow humans beings can be covered and receive care. But that's me.

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