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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    He did.

    Hilarycare.
    Hillarycare became the law of the land?? I must have missed that.

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1
    He tried.....
    Quote Originally Posted by LIberalAvenger
    But Harry and Louise scared everybody
    He tried??? Why didn't he get it passed?? He had almost as large a majority in the Senate as Obama has now and a larger majority in the House.

    It's easy... the American people were against it, just like they are against this one. The only difference is that the Dems were smart enough to drop it then and they still got their asses handed to them in the next election.

    The Dems in charge today are not as smart as George Mitchell and Tom Foley were back then.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I am not materialistic. I still believe in love for my fellow man.
    ... with other people's money, that is.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Three, I think the Republicans should have a positive alternative to replace the bill if they are going to campaign on rolling back this POS.
    Got'cha covered..... HR3400!
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I am not materialistic. I still believe in love for my fellow man.
    Then maybe you should do all those wonderfully charitable things without being coerced to by the government.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Hillarycare became the law of the land?? I must have missed that.
    I didn't say that, I said he tried to do it.
    I didn't agree with that plan either.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Well, that's debatable. It depends who the goose is. It's a basic chicken or egg question when it comes to, so called, wealth.
    No, it's not really debatable at all. If someone steals from me and gives it to you, that's not me being generous. That's me being stolen from and you accepting stolen property.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You can't without it costing an ass ton of money.
    The is no silver bullet, single payer will not work here.
    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Immediately it's not possible, but after prices deflate due to a more natural market everyone can afford it.
    So single payer is where the government manages the health care system and everyone pays taxes for it to the government, right? Everyone is covered under single payer by being a part of the gov't plan. I don't like that.

    When prices drop as the industry is deregulated, it will be more affordable but not everyone will be able to afford it. So everyone is not covered.

    Specifically,

    the poor can't afford it - do we keep Medicaid?
    the elderly can't afford it - they get sick a lot and their premiums would kick their ass. We promised them Medicare.
    the sick can't afford it - even if ins companies had to accept those with pre-existing conditions, their premiums would be very high.

    Everyone pays for the poor and the elderly through taxes. Nobody pays for the sick.

    I have had in mind that we cover everyone, but not with single payer. Most people go private. Peoples taxes go up to cover the sick, who are really uninsurable. We have a single government/co-op healthcare unit that insures or treats the poor, the old, and the sick. Cancel Medicaid and Medicare. Do it at the state level.

    Like Zyph points out, my proposal means **** since we have this turd on Obama's desk. Of course, the turd doesn't cover everyone either. I was just trying to get a feel for how conservatives would cover everyone.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    Got'cha covered..... HR3400!
    Thanks. I found it. It doesn't seem compelling for helping the poor, the old and the sick, unless the association plans can cover it.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Specifically,

    the poor can't afford it - do we keep Medicaid?
    Poor is relative, what is poor to one person, is not to another.
    I don't think that 90% of anyone called "poor" are actually poor.
    I hate the term with a passion.

    Those who truly can't afford medical care are those with inborn disabilities, disabilities from injury, similar things like that.
    I have absolutely no problem with covering people under a UHC structure limited to those conditions.

    It would have to be strict though.
    Obesity and the health affects of it are not a disability.
    Type 2 diabetes can be controlled by diet, it is not a disability.
    Minor "disabilities" should not be covered.

    We have to many supposed disabled people, that really aren't disabled.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    the elderly can't afford it - they get sick a lot and their premiums would kick their ass. We promised them Medicare.
    The elderly can afford it, they just don't want to.
    They are the most cash flush group of people in the U.S.
    Most of their expenses come from end of life care.

    That is why the "death panel" comments weren't entirely false.
    You want to control elder care costs, do things to cut end of life care.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    the sick can't afford it - even if ins companies had to accept those with pre-existing conditions, their premiums would be very high.
    Depends on what you define as sick.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Correct, but you later touch on the point I'm making. If someone is so stupidly saying "there's no deaht panels" in there meaning, LITERALLY, there's nothing that says "Death Panel" in teh bill then they're correct...but that's a stupid point.

    If they mean "there's no death panels in the Bill", ie "there are no panels that oversee the rationing of health care that is a more restrictive process than is currently present with insurance companies and places what level of treatment you get in the hands of government beuracrats with no method of appealing" which is what "Death Panels" were the hyper rhetoric term for, then they need to somehow prove that the very words already posted about in this thread somehow don't actually exist and we're all imagining it when we see them there.
    Also, on the topic of "death panels", there was so much more to that than just the language of the bill. The assertions concerning death panels had a lot more to do with who was advising the formation of rationing panels, etc, and what had been stated in the past by those people.

    For example, health policy advisor, Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel has touted, "some medical services should not be guaranteed to those “who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens....An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia.” He goes on to advocate basing medical decisions on a system which “produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated.”

    [ame="http://www.scribd.com/doc/18280675/Principles-for-Allocation-of-Scarce-Medical-Interventions"]Principles for Allocation of Scarce Medical Interventions[/ame]

    AKA...death panels.
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