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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    He tried.....
    But Harry and Louise scared everybody.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I honestly could care less. I will just work more and make more money to make up for it. We are all brothers and sisters.
    Hah! So when the taxes are increased on income, and stock portfolios you think you're immune. Dude, you just punched yourself in the nose by supporting this.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Hah! So when the taxes are increased on income, and stock portfolios you think you're immune. Dude, you just punched yourself in the nose by supporting this.
    I am not materialistic. I still believe in love for my fellow man.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I am not materialistic. I still believe in love for my fellow man.
    Your side screwed them too. Congrats.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm going to take a wild guess here as to why you've not heard a lot on this.

    One, that's not the topic of this thread. This is discussing THIS health care bill that passed.

    Two, there are numerous threads that have discussed republican alternatives. Some focused, some as asides. Its hardly a new topic and its unlikely taht people are going to jump to a question about it in a thread where its not really the topic and has no baring on the topic.

    Which takes me to three, republican options are pointless right now. Republicans have had alternative plans posted, despite Democrats propoganda that they haven't. Republicans have put forth legislation with their plans, despite claims to the opposite. Posts have been made on this forum detailing republican plans. They are out there, but the reason people don't realize it is because really, they don't matter. Republicans are in the super-minority, with the fact being that even if they managed to SOMEHOW pass it through both house and senate it wouldn't make it past the President. This is akin to saying why aren't you fighting back aggresively and frontally in earnest when you have rocks and the enemy has a tank.

    I saw your question, but what you're asking is hardly unique, nor the first time its been asked on this forum. Its not even the dozenth time its been asked on this forum. I saw no real spur to answer it, yet again, when it at this point doesn't matter and its not in any way the topic of this thread.
    One is a really good point. I thought that in understanding where conservatives see the current bill as being short some features, it would liven the place in a new direction.

    Two I have seen a few items, mainly:
    • tort reform (I don't think this does squat)
    • allow ins companies to compete across state lines (I like this one a lot!)


    I thought they were against the public option, then I saw it in the proposal made this morning (by you or CC, I forget). I have missed a comprehensive answer to the question and wondered how coverage for all was handled.

    I know a strong complaint from conservatives is taking money from people to pay for others care. We have this of course, with taxes on the "Cadillac" plans and fees on the uninsured. Plus at $172 billion a year to the deficit, your average taxpayer is paying (as are his children!).

    Three, I think the Republicans should have a positive alternative to replace the bill if they are going to campaign on rolling back this POS.

    But it is probably the wrong thread for this.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The conservative movement offered a ton of solutions that would work well.
    1) Tort reform; giving more recourse against frivolous lawsuits- not in the bill
    2) Allowing interstate competition among health insurance companies; would have extended more options to consumers, forcing better individual providers to improve. - not in the bill
    3) Not conservative politicians, rather conservatives in economic, financial, and the health industry; Remove med-school cap on admissions, thus improving supply of doctors within only a few years.- not in the bill
    4) More accountability. not correctly applied in the bill.
    5) Removal of pre-existing conditions. - in the bill, but not done in a way that is economically viable.
    How do you ensure everyone is covered?

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    How do you ensure everyone is covered?
    You can't without it costing an ass ton of money.
    The is no silver bullet, single payer will not work here.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    How do you ensure everyone is covered?
    Immediately it's not possible, but after prices deflate due to a more natural market everyone can afford it.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    The 30 million people that finally get insurance are not going to vote republican.
    And that right there was the point of the exercise. Democrats buying votes with my money.

    I guess a stopped clock is right every once in a while after all ...

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I am not materialistic. I still believe in love for my fellow man.
    That seems off. We have this:

    - Your right to live materialistically or not materialistically.
    - Your right to man-love, or not to man-love

    vs.

    - Forcing some people to pay for other people.
    - Forcing everyone to purchase a specific good/service

    Because you seem to be commenting on the first two, which hopefully everyone here supports...while ignoring the actual argument, which is the last two.

    What I WANT to see, is people using FORCE to enforce my liberty to live materialistcally or not, to man-love or not, to provide charity or not, to purchase goods and services or not.

    See the difference?
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