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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Nobody has anything to say about my question here? WHere are all the solutions? Or are you just in the habit of criticizing? I think I know the answer....
    I'm going to take a wild guess here as to why you've not heard a lot on this.

    One, that's not the topic of this thread. This is discussing THIS health care bill that passed.

    Two, there are numerous threads that have discussed republican alternatives. Some focused, some as asides. Its hardly a new topic and its unlikely taht people are going to jump to a question about it in a thread where its not really the topic and has no baring on the topic.

    Which takes me to three, republican options are pointless right now. Republicans have had alternative plans posted, despite Democrats propoganda that they haven't. Republicans have put forth legislation with their plans, despite claims to the opposite. Posts have been made on this forum detailing republican plans. They are out there, but the reason people don't realize it is because really, they don't matter. Republicans are in the super-minority, with the fact being that even if they managed to SOMEHOW pass it through both house and senate it wouldn't make it past the President. This is akin to saying why aren't you fighting back aggresively and frontally in earnest when you have rocks and the enemy has a tank.

    I saw your question, but what you're asking is hardly unique, nor the first time its been asked on this forum. Its not even the dozenth time its been asked on this forum. I saw no real spur to answer it, yet again, when it at this point doesn't matter and its not in any way the topic of this thread.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Nobody has anything to say about my question here? WHere are all the solutions? Or are you just in the habit of criticizing? I think I know the answer....
    The conservative movement offered a ton of solutions that would work well.
    1) Tort reform; giving more recourse against frivolous lawsuits- not in the bill
    2) Allowing interstate competition among health insurance companies; would have extended more options to consumers, forcing better individual providers to improve. - not in the bill
    3) Not conservative politicians, rather conservatives in economic, financial, and the health industry; Remove med-school cap on admissions, thus improving supply of doctors within only a few years.- not in the bill
    4) More accountability. not correctly applied in the bill.
    5) Removal of pre-existing conditions. - in the bill, but not done in a way that is economically viable.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't care who "wins" or "loses."

    I want the best possible outcome, this isn't it.
    Of course it's not the best possible outcome. That is impossible with our two party system. One party tries to succeed and the other party does everything in their power to make them fail.
    Nixon tried to implement a heathcare plan similar to this one. It's too bad it didn't pass then, for by now we would know if it lead to the best possible outcome.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    To anybody here who earns more than 250 k per year I am now thanking you in advance for your wonderful generosity.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Of course it's not the best possible outcome. That is impossible with our two party system. One party tries to succeed and the other party does everything in their power to make them fail.
    Nixon tried to implement a heathcare plan similar to this one. It's too bad it didn't pass then, for by now we would know if it lead to the best possible outcome.
    The fact that many people don't know, if it will work or not, signals to me that it shouldn't have been done.

    It's a complete gamble then.
    We need to carefully study this, not slap together a hodgepodge of unknown.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    To anybody here who earns more than 250 k per year I am now thanking you in advance for your wonderful generosity.
    Which includes most of the small businesses in the country. They will thank you when you have to pay more for the goods and services they provide.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The conservative movement offered a ton of solutions that would work well.
    1) Tort reform; giving more recourse against frivolous lawsuits- not in the bill
    2) Allowing interstate competition among health insurance companies; would have extended more options to consumers, forcing better individual providers to improve. - not in the bill
    3) Not conservative politicians, rather conservatives in economic, financial, and the health industry; Remove med-school cap on admissions, thus improving supply of doctors within only a few years.- not in the bill
    4) More accountability. not correctly applied in the bill.
    5) Removal of pre-existing conditions. - in the bill, but not done in a way that is economically viable.
    Did you copy that off the Glenn Beck website?
    If this is such a good plan why didn't the republicans implement it during the 6 years they had the power?

    All of the above points might save a few dollars yet do not address the main problems of 30 million uninsured.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    To anybody here who earns more than 250 k per year I am now thanking you in advance for your wonderful generosity.
    It's not generosity when someone steals something from someone else on your behalf and gives it to you.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Which includes most of the small businesses in the country. They will thank you when you have to pay more for the goods and services they provide.
    I don't care if it helps save one single life.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The fact that many people don't know, if it will work or not, signals to me that it shouldn't have been done.

    It's a complete gamble then.
    We need to carefully study this, not slap together a hodgepodge of unknown.
    Gee, everything is a gamble. There are no sure things in life. Every decision our leaders make is a gamble. You act like the healthcare reform hasn't been on the table for the last 40 years.
    Here Nixons plan:
    http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stor...-proposal.aspx
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