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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Common sense.
    Look I understand that you thought this was going to work out great.
    I like that you have hope, that's a good thing but we must dispense with that when reality comes into play.

    People are supposed to buy insurance for the next 4 years, without the subsidy.
    Now if they couldn't afford it before, how are they going to afford it now?
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Blah Blah Blah. Rationed care can mean life or death. Rationing has been provided for IN THE BILL. Therefore it isn't spin.
    Show me where rationing is in the bill. If you can.

    Death Panels? Falling for the spin? You proved my point.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This is not the thread for that, but I would like to debate it with you. I don't want to derail this thread, though. I was comparing Obama to Bush, in the context of Obama's presidency, but don't really want to make this thread about Bush. Give me a couple of days, and I will start a thread about Bush, in the same context. I will message you when I start the thread. Cool?
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    If you just go to opencongress.org and get the copy of the bill there, you can check out the whole thing. It's pretty thick in the language but I reference pages 29-43 in regards to the rationing of health care part. It's really something that builds on itself from point to point, in my opinion. Check out that part and then raise whatever disagreements you have with me, but I can't quote 14 pages verbatim right here.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    It is a day of celebration for all the unemployed and underemployed crippled and dependent pets that have been so carefully cultivated by liberals for decades.

    They dont know WHAT they have 'won', they dont have a clue how it will impact them, they dont know how much it will cost, and have no idea what it will look like after the senate 'fix' which has already started...

    they endorse a federal government that has put us 13.5 trillion dollars in debt and give them a blank check to spend more.

    but they won. Something. yay!
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Show me where rationing is in the bill. If you can.

    Death Panels? Falling for the spin? You proved my point.
    OpenCongress - Track bills, votes, senators, and representatives in the U.S. Congress Pages 29-43.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    I see you fell for the spin too.
    They are not death panels.
    You better read the bill yourself. The bill is not as bad as the spinmasters made it out to be.
    Really? Did YOU read the bill. If you have, could you please explain to me how the pages that Jallman quoted does not establish a government panel filled with government beurcrats that oversee potential treatment of patients, especially high risks ones, and judge what kind, if any, treatments can be allowed for them and unlike current insurance company practices does not allow for a way to make an appeal.

    Since you apparently read the bill, since you continue to tell others to read it, I'm sure you could answer this with something other than "They are not there" which isn't an argument as much as a baseless, unbacked up, statement.

    The 30 million people that finally get insurance are not going to vote republican.
    First, there's a addage of not counting chickens before they hatch. 30 million people need to get on insurance before you can claim it happened.

    Second, you're going off the false premise that EVERY person that is given something by the government will automatically vote for a democrat.

    Third, you're going off the false premise that EVERY person that gets government health care would make health care their number one priority over anything else that would cause them to vote Republican.

    Fourth, you're suggesting that GREED, in the terms many democrats define it as currently, is a worth while reason for people to vote for a particular politician. That because THEY get something GOOD at the expense of others that that is a commendable reason and one to be celebrated for voting in favor of those that would keep that status quo.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    What I don't understand about the conservative position is how they propose we offer healthcare to all, both those who can afford and get (no pre-existing conditions) private insurance - group or individual, and those who cannot afford healthcare insurance - the poor, the elderly without wealth, and the sick, those with pre-existing conditions. Perhaps they think that if you cannot afford it that you just won't get it. That is heartless. Please explain.
    Nobody has anything to say about my question here? WHere are all the solutions? Or are you just in the habit of criticizing? I think I know the answer....

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Look I understand that you thought this was going to work out great.
    I like that you have hope, that's a good thing but we must dispense with that when reality comes into play.

    People are supposed to buy insurance for the next 4 years, without the subsidy.
    Now if they couldn't afford it before, how are they going to afford it now?
    Reality? We will have to wait until reality plays out. I really don't think this bill is going to hurt the democrats at all. All that "sky is falling" hype isn't going to pan out.
    The truth that the republicans did not want any reform whatsoever was apparent from the very beginning. Hell, they had 6 years and did absolutely nothing, not even tort reform. Then they cried because the dems kept them out of the process. The biggest fear of the republicans is that the program will be a success.
    "This Administration will constantly strive to promote an ownership society in America. We want more people owning their own home. It is in our national interest that more people own their own home. After all, if you own your own home, you have a vital stake in the future of our country."" GWB

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Reality? We will have to wait until reality plays out. I really don't think this bill is going to hurt the democrats at all. All that "sky is falling" hype isn't going to pan out.
    The truth that the republicans did not want any reform whatsoever was apparent from the very beginning. Hell, they had 6 years and did absolutely nothing, not even tort reform. Then they cried because the dems kept them out of the process. The biggest fear of the republicans is that the program will be a success.
    I don't care who "wins" or "loses."

    I want the best possible outcome, this isn't it.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
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