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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Obama is setting himself up for the unfriendliest congress in history, the Democrats who do survive this will be weakened to the point of uselessness and human nature would dictate they'll be looking for political payback. This administration has the potential to be a lame duck in the last half of it's first term.
    I think you are wrong. When the dust settles, the spin and misinformation fades away, folks find out the bill may actually benefit them and they start thinking for themselves again the democrats may end up being the heroes. The republicans may turn out to be the real losers.
    Heck there are still some that believe death panels are part of the bill.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

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    Sure thing, in the future though perhaps you don't want to make throw away comments with that much implication if you think discussing them is going to derail a thread.
    Didn't think it would, since I was speaking to Obama's arrogance, and making a comparison. My offer to start another thread was to preempt any possibility of a thread derailment, which doesn't look like it is happening anyways. Just a preventative measure.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    According to someone that's read the bill, they essentially are. I'm eager to see you actually counter Jallman's statements and what Jallman's quotes of the bill rather than simply just going "They're not in there" while not proving in any way that YOU'VE read the bill.

    Glad to know you're saying though that when the dusts settles peoples own greed about what in this bill benefits THEM and to hell with what it means for this country or what damage it does is what will make it okay.

    Right, that's what many Democrats say "greed" is right? Anytime you're concerned simply for what makes things good for you.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

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    I think you are wrong. When the dust settles, the spin and misinformation fades away, folks find out the bill may actually benefit them and they start thinking for themselves again the democrats may end up being the heroes.
    You're ****ing kidding right? Jallman is reading the bill, everything that has been called "rightwing mis-information" is in the ****ing bill. So what misinformation are you talking about? I know what the damage is going to be, other citizens can see it too, which is why literally millions of people have been calling reps telling them to vote NO. Enough representatives ignored the people to insure they are gone, but please, continue to use talking points, it's much easier for me to win the debate that way.
    The republicans may turn out to be the real losers.
    Heck there are still some that believe death panels are part of the bill.
    They are in the bill. Jallman read it pages 29-43.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    According to someone that's read the bill, they essentially are. I'm eager to see you actually counter Jallman's statements and what Jallman's quotes of the bill rather than simply just going "They're not in there" while not proving in any way that YOU'VE read the bill.

    Glad to know you're saying though that when the dusts settles peoples own greed about what in this bill benefits THEM and to hell with what it means for this country or what damage it does is what will make it okay.

    Right, that's what many Democrats say "greed" is right? Anytime you're concerned simply for what makes things good for you.
    You are asking someone to prove a negative? It doesn't work that way. I think the proper way to settle this would be to have Jallman post the relevant parts. That way, this gets settled immediately. I bet that jallman is right, but you still can't demand that someone prove a negative.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    They are in the bill. Jallman read it pages 29-43.
    Whoa whoa whoa...I didn't say "death panels" were in the bill. The pages in question do speak very heavily about the role of a Health Choices Commissioner who will expand and reduce health care options, with no appeal process, based on available resources.

    In other words, all of Pelosi and Obama's emphatic denial that health care will be rationed turns out to be bull****. Health care is going to be rationed according to the bill.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Whoa whoa whoa...I didn't say "death panels" were in the bill. The pages in question do speak very heavily about the role of a Health Choices Commissioner who will expand and reduce health care options, with no appeal process, based on available resources.

    In other words, all of Pelosi and Obama's emphatic denial that health care will be rationed turns out to be bull****. Health care is going to be rationed according to the bill.
    Fair enough Jall, to me though that is a death panel, considering all the supporter rhetoric saying insurance does that and people die because of it. I'm just proactively apply their logic to their crappy bill.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Fair enough Jall, to me though that is a death panel, considering all the supporter rhetoric saying insurance does that and people die because of it. I'm just proactively apply their logic to their crappy bill.
    Well frankly, that's what people meant by death panels so I guess you could say it's in the bill. I just don't think we need to give that type any ammo. Be clear, be direct, and take no poetic liberties with the rhetoric when it comes to them.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

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    You're ****ing kidding right? Jallman is reading the bill, everything that has been called "rightwing mis-information" is in the ****ing bill. So what misinformation are you talking about? I know what the damage is going to be, other citizens can see it too, which is why literally millions of people have been calling reps telling them to vote NO. Enough representatives ignored the people to insure they are gone, but please, continue to use talking points, it's much easier for me to win the debate that way. They are in the bill. Jallman read it pages 29-43.

    I see you fell for the spin too.
    They are not death panels.
    You better read the bill yourself. The bill is not as bad as the spinmasters made it out to be. The 30 million people that finally get insurance are not going to vote republican.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Check this out in regards to the fine for not having insurance.

    "(A) WAIVER OF CRIMINAL PENALTIES.—In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed by this section, such
    taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.
    "

    http://docs.house.gov/rules/hr4872/1...d.pdf#page=336

    You don't have to pay the fine and insurance companies must cover sick people.
    An even worse combination.
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