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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Except that the wording of the bill proves them right.
    Yep, starts on page 29 and runs till about page 42 or so.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Actually that seems pretty reasonable to me. If it was structured right, you could roll medicare and medicaid into it tier 1 pretty easily.
    There are some parts I could nit pick with CC's plan but overall it is 100x better than anything passed or proposed.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    such a teeny little perspective of things

    LOL!

    how do you expand m and m by 31 million new enrollees while simultaneously cutting funding of both underwater entitlements by half a trillion dollars?

    waste, fraud and abuse?

    LOL!

    THAT's president pie-in-the-face's response

    dang, that ted kennedy musta been awful DUMB not to find so much money

    i mean, all those years chappaquiddick ted spent searching...
    guess what? it's not simultaneous.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I bet Obama is finally reading some of the bill right now and saying... "OH ****."
    No he isn't. He is thinking victory, no matter at what price. You know, Bush used to really piss me off with his "win by attrition" strategy. Obama is no different. He is also conducting a slash and burn political strategy. Bush's arrogance eventually took him down. I predict the same will happen with Obama's arrogance, the sooner, the better.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    What "win by attrition" strategy? There's no a singular legislative measure that George Bush pushed for that I can think went into affect through such a method. The one situation that could've applied was Social Security Reform, and they actually gave up on that once it was clear the American People rejected it despite them thinking it was what was best for us.

    The only other thing you could point to would be the Iraq War, which was not entered into under a "war of attrition" strategy and becomes an entirely different dynamic than what is being discussed here when we talk about the continuation of it.

    Patriot? Wasn't passed by attrition.
    NCLB? Wasn't passed by attrition.
    Perscription Drug? Wasn't passed by attrition.
    Entry into Afghanistan? Wasn't passed by attrition
    Entry into Iraq? Wasn't passed by attrition

    Ban of Gay Marriage? Dropped when it was clear the American People weren't standing for it rather than attempting to bribe and/or strong arm politicians and do it anyways
    Social Security? Dropped when it was clear the American People weren't standing for it rather than attempting to bribe and/or strong arm politicians to do it anyways

    You could PERHAPS say its the case with the Bush Tax Cuts, but even that seemed to garner more wide reaching support than this bill.
    What are you speaking of SPECIFICALLY dana.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    No he isn't. He is thinking victory, no matter at what price. You know, Bush used to really piss me off with his "win by attrition" strategy. Obama is no different. He is also conducting a slash and burn political strategy. Bush's arrogance eventually took him down. I predict the same will happen with Obama's arrogance, the sooner, the better.
    Obama is setting himself up for the unfriendliest congress in history, the Democrats who do survive this will be weakened to the point of uselessness and human nature would dictate they'll be looking for political payback. This administration has the potential to be a lame duck in the last half of it's first term.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    The minor emergency room costs $120, cash on the barrelhead; an office visit is comparable. You then pay additionally for a strep-test and any other lab fees. it's going to run you at least $160-$180, more likely around 200 bucks.
    Good antibiotics like Zythromax (Z-Pac) are around $70; most often doctors will prescribe additional drugs such as a decongestant and hydrocodone syrup for a sore throat.
    It all ends up adding up to around $200 just for the drugs.
    My experience with the ER is, if you simply ask- not even give a sob story, just ask- they'll give you samples, and then all the drugs are free.
    I've had ER docs give me full courses of antibiotics for free, in little individual sample packs.
    All you have to do is say, "How much is this prescription going to cost, because I really don't have any money", and they'll bust out a box of free samples.

    How much do you think an office visit and prescription drugs cost?


    By the way, I don't consider any of this "theft", because health care is my right.
    It's everyone's right.

    For the past couple of years, I've had insurance, and you know what? I can't afford to go to the doctor with it, because it's a $40 co-pay for an office visit, and then $15 for prescriptions, and I basically never have that much cash on hand to blow.

    If you can't manage to have $55 on hand at any given time, your problems go far beyond affordable healthcare...
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    What "win by attrition" strategy? There's no a singular legislative measure that George Bush pushed for that I can think went into affect through such a method. The one situation that could've applied was Social Security Reform, and they actually gave up on that once it was clear the American People rejected it despite them thinking it was what was best for us.

    The only other thing you could point to would be the Iraq War, which was not entered into under a "war of attrition" strategy and becomes an entirely different dynamic than what is being discussed here when we talk about the continuation of it.

    Patriot? Wasn't passed by attrition.
    NCLB? Wasn't passed by attrition.
    Perscription Drug? Wasn't passed by attrition.
    Entry into Afghanistan? Wasn't passed by attrition
    Entry into Iraq? Wasn't passed by attrition

    Ban of Gay Marriage? Dropped when it was clear the American People weren't standing for it rather than attempting to bribe and/or strong arm politicians and do it anyways
    Social Security? Dropped when it was clear the American People weren't standing for it rather than attempting to bribe and/or strong arm politicians to do it anyways

    You could PERHAPS say its the case with the Bush Tax Cuts, but even that seemed to garner more wide reaching support than this bill.
    What are you speaking of SPECIFICALLY dana.
    This is not the thread for that, but I would like to debate it with you. I don't want to derail this thread, though. I was comparing Obama to Bush, in the context of Obama's presidency, but don't really want to make this thread about Bush. Give me a couple of days, and I will start a thread about Bush, in the same context. I will message you when I start the thread. Cool?
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    1069,

    Do you smoke? Do you drink? Do you and/or your family members that you help support go out to eat often? Do you go to movies, buy new books, have HD TV or high speed internet? Is there public transportation around where you live, do you use it? Do you tend to buy new clothes because you're in need of it because of old ones becoming destroyed or because you want something new to wear? Does someone in your house hold play video games? If so are they buying new games rather than utilizing ones they could download (legally) for free online.

    I could go on, but I'm just wondering what luxuries you're unwilling to give up that I'm essentially subsidizing because you would rather have myself and others pay for your health insurance in the future.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This is not the thread for that, but I would like to debate it with you. I don't want to derail this thread, though. I was comparing Obama to Bush, in the context of Obama's presidency, but don't really want to make this thread about Bush. Give me a couple of days, and I will start a thread about Bush, in the same context. I will message you when I start the thread. Cool?
    Sure thing, in the future though perhaps you don't want to make throw away comments with that much implication if you think discussing them is going to derail a thread.

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