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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    why do NONE of the vocal obamites on this thread defend THIS bill?

    doesn't that tell YOU something?

    TRY to think OUT of YOUR box!

    LOL!
    Because it's more fun watching you foam at the mouth.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not arguing that point. It does point out that people can choose to not set up payments in this manner, which keeps the government for sure out, and I suspect that if the government could actually access the account beyond the setup to pay bills, that would be illegal. I do note that I am not a lawyer, so that last is pure supposition, take it for what it is worth.
    I'm frankly waiting for the LEGIONS of democrats on this forum that have complaiend for years about the Patriot Act not for any ACTUAL violatiosn but the POTENTIAL violations it presents and the POTENTIAL for abuse or expansion and the POTENTIAL for it to be used in ways other than its intended to start speaking out about the POTENTIAL for abuse and expansion of portions of this bill like this.

    The government being allowed to get a warrant to cover multiple locations at once because a suspect has shown a prepencity to shuffle his communication throughout multiple types of communication devices and locations instead of getting one warrant for each thing? That's attrocious and could be abused.

    The government being able to access anyones bank account and withdraw funds from it when they deem you in violation of the law. Oh, nothing to worry about there, we can trust the government won't expand on this notion now that they've deemed this kind of thing okay in certain cases.


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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm frankly waiting for the LEGIONS of democrats on this forum that have complaiend for years about the Patriot Act not for any ACTUAL violatiosn but the POTENTIAL violations it presents and the POTENTIAL for abuse or expansion and the POTENTIAL for it to be used in ways other than its intended to start speaking out about the POTENTIAL for abuse and expansion of portions of this bill like this.

    The government being allowed to get a warrant to cover multiple locations at once because a suspect has shown a prepencity to shuffle his communication throughout multiple types of communication devices and locations instead of getting one warrant for each thing? That's attrocious and could be abused.

    The government being able to access anyones bank account and withdraw funds from it when they deem you in violation of the law. Oh, nothing to worry about there, we can trust the government won't expand on this notion now that they've deemed this kind of thing okay in certain cases.

    So far I have seen no evidence the government can withdraw funds through this without permission. If such is contained in the bill(and I already said this), I would suspect it was illegal and could and should be challenged in court, and I would oppose it.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I bet Obama is finally reading some of the bill right now and saying... "OH ****."
    I seriously doubt that.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's exactly it with this bill. It's not so much an expansion of healthcare for America as it is a codefied precedent for mobbing the successful and wealthy to take from them at the pleasure of the masses.

    Everything in this bill reeks of this kind of populist garbage.
    Class warfare, placed into the US Code by the Democrats. Mediocrity for all, success will be punished.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Haha, wonderful Jall. So if you don't have insurance, we're going to fine you. If you do have insurance, but you can afford better insurance, we're going to tax you so you're still paying the fine.

    Hope and change baby!
    It makes sense to me. The objective is to deter companies from offering completely comprehensive and untaxed insurance benefits in lieu of taxable income. Repubs have touted consumer based H.C. Deductibles encourage people to shop around and become aware of costs.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    The minor emergency room costs $120, cash on the barrelhead; an office visit is comparable. You then pay additionally for a strep-test and any other lab fees. it's going to run you at least $160-$180, more likely around 200 bucks.
    Good antibiotics like Zythromax (Z-Pac) are around $70; most often doctors will prescribe additional drugs such as a decongestant and hydrocodone syrup for a sore throat.
    It all ends up adding up to around $200 just for the drugs.
    My experience with the ER is, if you simply ask- not even give a sob story, just ask- they'll give you samples, and then all the drugs are free.
    I've had ER docs give me full courses of antibiotics for free, in little individual sample packs.
    All you have to do is say, "How much is this prescription going to cost, because I really don't have any money", and they'll bust out a box of free samples.

    How much do you think an office visit and prescription drugs cost?


    By the way, I don't consider any of this "theft", because health care is my right.
    It's everyone's right.

    For the past couple of years, I've had insurance, and you know what? I can't afford to go to the doctor with it, because it's a $40 co-pay for an office visit, and then $15 for prescriptions, and I basically never have that much cash on hand to blow.
    Absolutely yes. Health care is a right. We have been paying for Charles Manson's health care for years.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Oh yes, I LOVE the fact that they require you to have insurance, but just not TOO GOOD of an insurance policy! God forbid you get really good insurance, you must be fined for that.

    ****ing ****tards.
    You can thank the Republicans and the Bluedogs for that...they are the ones who prevented the public option and stuck you with the buy insurance requirement. Most of us, including most of the public wanted the public option.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Class warfare, placed into the US Code by the Democrats. Mediocrity for all, success will be punished.
    Precisely. The entire bill, from beginning to end, is a dissertation on entitlement.

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