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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What you are proposing was in large part the original plan that couldn't garner enough support from blue dogs or Republicans. I agree. This makes more sense than the current bill, but thanks to the obstructionists that fought against any reform we got the watered down version rather than the original concepts.
    Yes its in large part similar to the original plan...if you took primarily only the liberal ideas from CC's plan and few of the conservative ones. Which is why it coudln't get much support. Tort reform wasn't in the original to my understanding, far more regulation than what CC was suggesting was in the original, far more penalties were placed on individuals and businesses concerning insurance, across state lines to my understanding wasn't in the original, having the provider being the review board not the government wasn't in the original, the protection for hospitals not providing care to peopple who don't have insurance or can't prove that they can pay for it wasn't there, the government stating clearly it will not subsidize anyones hospital payments if they don't have insurance wasn't there, etc.

    If I'm wrong on multiple of those, tell me, I'd be happy to hear it. I will admit I did not read hundreds upon hundreds of pages each time a new one was put out.

    So yeah, it was "close to" what was in the original...save for all the things CC put in there to make it bipartisan and attractive to both sides, thus why it failed to get anyone other than liberals on board with it.

    The fact you think that's "close" to what the original one was though shows exactly what the current congressional and presidential Democrats view point is on what "bipartisan" is apparently.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, there was a Supreme Court decision in 1937, that upheld the right of the Government to force people to pay Social Security taxes, that is applicable here. Doesn't make it right, though, but it does make it legal.
    Social security taxes don't equal requiring citizens to buy anything from a private company. The government can require you to pay taxes and penalties, but can't require you purchase anything you don't want to from a private source.

    The first lawsuits will likely be filed this afternoon.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

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    What is a thread ban? I was moderator at a forum for a while before the admin had to pull the plug on it and I never heard of a thread ban. I've heard of banning someone either for a set period of time or forever, but I'm not familiar with a thread ban. Is that banning one member from one thread?

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    What is a thread ban? I was moderator at a forum for a while before the admin had to pull the plug on it and I never heard of a thread ban. I've heard of banning someone either for a set period of time or forever, but I'm not familiar with a thread ban. Is that banning one member from one thread?
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    What is a thread ban? I was moderator at a forum for a while before the admin had to pull the plug on it and I never heard of a thread ban. I've heard of banning someone either for a set period of time or forever, but I'm not familiar with a thread ban. Is that banning one member from one thread?
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Anyone care to cite th epower of Congress that allows Congress to require that the people buy insurance simply because they live and breathe?
    The Eleventy-Seventh Amendment. It is only visible to statists.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    paying social security taxes is not exactly the same thing as forcing joe america to go out and buy aetna

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    That is total BS. I have worked for a hundred year old, multi-billion dollar company for thirty years. My company, like every successful company, adjust workforce levels to maximize profits. Demand and productivity determine levels, not tax rates.
    You are totally clueless. Your company will not last long if you set your risk according to tax rates.
    Oh, lord.

    It's not just taxes. It's the implications of the taxes. Higher taxes make for a much tighter economy for EVERYONE, not just your company. It reduces cash flow across the board, which in turn, impacts demand and all the Economics 101 stuff you mentioned.

    THAT, in turn, impacts risk and margin, which leads to reductions in costs, which leads to reductions in staff, etc.

    I know you liberals hate Reaganomics, but they are as true as the day is long.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    own up

    YOU KNEW this bill contemplates the expansion of medicare and medicaid by 31 million

    YOU KNEW both m's are already facing very shaky futures, indeed, bleed red by 2017

    YOU KNEW this bill CUTS the funding of both m's MASSIVELY, by half a tril

    YOU KNEW the president CLAIMED he could pay for 2/3 of his expansions by rooting out waste, fraud and abuse

    own it, the bill is YOURS

    and YOU will be held accountable for it every second of every day between now and forever

    get used to it

    POLITICS IS PERSISTENT

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