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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Beat me to it, saw it on Fox News -- 219 yay to 212 nay, sorta close.
    If a 5-4 SCotUS decision is meaningles because it falls along partisan lines, what is a 219-212 house vote?

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Akston View Post
    It's a crying shame that our "elected representatives" would go against the will of the people and pass this load of crap. This is one more nail in the coffin of the United States of America. This is socialism, plain and simple. Our government is destroying this country from the inside out. This will devastate our economy and put even more people out of work, not to mention what this will add to our outrageous and out of control deficit. Let's hope this gets shot down on Constitutional grounds and soon.
    Anyone care to cite th epower of Congress that allows Congress to require that the people buy insurance simply because they live and breathe?

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If a 5-4 SCotUS decision is meaningles because it falls along partisan lines, what is a 219-212 house vote?
    If you're a Democrat, it's a mandate!!



    And since some Democrats voted against it, I guess that makes it bipartisan too.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I am not for this healthcare at this time
    nobody is

    at least nobody on this thread

    liberals around the nation have major problems with this PIG

    it was passed by a leadership and 219 individuals who got their arms twisted like john mccain's

    ie, NOT representational govt

    oh well

    party on, progressives

    be PROUD!

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Wow, you are clueless about this.

    No, that is not how people like ME, nor other companies I work with, determine the size of our workforces. Not even remotely close.

    Companies operate based on risk and margin. (When it looked like Obama was going to be elected, everybody started slashing their staff and budgets to the bone; we knew what was coming.)

    When taxes are low, we take risks. The tolerance of risk is based on the overhead we project, which includes taxes and regulations, AS WELL AS THE TARGET CLIENT'S ability to spend, which impacts what sort of margin I can expect to realize.

    When you increase my risk, you impact my expected margin. In order to get that in balance, I have to cut costs, which means I have to reduce staff.

    That, in turn, makes for an economy of fewer people/companies that have disposable income or growth reserves that are necessary to buy my products. It becomes a spiralling self-fulfilling prophecy.

    And now, with Obama's big government and taxes, I will eventually be forced to get rid of the healthcare plan we provide our employees and force them on to a government plan. I'd be better off paying the $3,000 fine per employee, frankly.

    So it's MEDICAID FOR EVERYONE! Yay.
    That is total BS. I have worked for a hundred year old, multi-billion dollar company for thirty years. My company, like every successful company, adjust workforce levels to maximize profits. Demand and productivity determine levels, not tax rates.
    You are totally clueless. Your company will not last long if you set your risk according to tax rates.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    That is total BS. I have worked for a hundred year old, multi-billion dollar company for thirty years. My company, like every successful company, adjust workforce levels to maximize profits. Demand and productivity determine levels, not tax rates.
    You are totally clueless. Your company will not last long if you set your risk according to tax rates.



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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    We accept your concesion.
    What concession? Just because someone owns a business does not make them an expert. Far from it. Most don't know what they are doing and the stat that 50% of businesses fail in the first year is testament to that. A company that determines its workforce by tax rates will fail.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    What concession? Just because someone owns a business does not make them an expert. Far from it. Most don't know what they are doing and the stat that 50% of businesses fail in the first year is testament to that.



    You are trying to apply your view of how a large business runs to a small business... That is fail prior to the 1st year on your part.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    What concession? Just because someone owns a business does not make them an expert. Far from it. Most don't know what they are doing and the stat that 50% of businesses fail in the first year is testament to that. A company that determines its workforce by tax rates will fail.
    Oh, you conceded all right. But like I said, we already knew you've never written a payroll check or a tax check to the government in your life. That was obvious and continues to be.

    Some things you can't get out of a college economics 101 book. Running a business in real life often does not resemble the case studies in books.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Anyone care to cite th epower of Congress that allows Congress to require that the people buy insurance simply because they live and breathe?
    Actually, there was a Supreme Court decision in 1937, that upheld the right of the Government to force people to pay Social Security taxes, that is applicable here. Doesn't make it right, though, but it does make it legal.
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