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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    That is the healthcare outlay. Unlike the Iraq war, there is actually an inflow from healthcare. Now you can argue with the CBO estimated bottom line (which is positive), but you have to acknowledge that there will be some inflows (measureable benefits). The number you quoted is the annual investment in healthcare reform, its annual net expense.
    Yes, the net expense, so this is after accounting for inflows.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    another of those wingnut sources, cbs (LOL!), THIS MORNING has naughty nancy at ELEVEN PERCENT approval!

    and hassled harry is at EIGHT PERCENT!

    Poll: Low Favorability Ratings For Pelosi, Reid - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

    ouch!

    i wonder why their numbers are SO LOW!

    LOL!

    they're each at roughly THREE TO ONE negative to positive

    and the 36% of respondents who say they "haven't heard enough..."

    well, just wait til they hear

    because, clearly, those who've followed all that's GONE DOWN do NOT approve

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You are showing your lack of business knowledge with every post. Taxes are a known quantity, except in the rare case when Congress makes a change. If they changed constantly, the accounting software people would be the ones getting rich. As it is, they supply tax updates for their software yearly, which is sufficient.

    The tax is on taxable income of the business owner's personal tax statement.
    Wrong. You are showing your total lack of understanding how businesses determine the size of their workforce. It is based on the needs of the company to meet the demand for their product to maximize profits. An increase or decrease in taxes will have no impact on hiring or crew size. Demand and productivity determine that. You must have gone to the Glenn Beck School of economics, too.

    State, Federal and local taxes do change from year to year. They are not a constant. They, like the cost of materials and energy fluctuate and are part of the cost of doing business.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    How convenient to pick a poll, out of many, and use it to validate your personal ideals. Not very original, but convenient.
    it's news, silly

    bad news

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Looks like the healthcare bill costs 64% more than the war in Iraq.
    I came in late on this discussion, but that sounds ridiculous. do you have some evidence to support your theory?

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by coffeeparty1975MA View Post
    I came in late on this discussion, but that sounds ridiculous. do you have some evidence to support your theory?
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058634980

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Looks like the healthcare bill costs 64% more than the war in Iraq.
    I am not for this healthcare at this time since we do not have the money for it IMO.

    With that being said, unlike the Iraq war at least the money will be used for Americans here at home and not overseas.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Wrong. You are showing your total lack of understanding how businesses determine the size of their workforce. It is based on the needs of the company to meet the demand for their product to maximize profits. An increase or decrease in taxes will have no impact on hiring or crew size. Demand and productivity determine that. You must have gone to the Glenn Beck School of economics, too.

    State, Federal and local taxes do change from year to year. They are not a constant. They, like the cost of materials and energy fluctuate and are part of the cost of doing business.
    I'll repeat the Rev's question that you ignored.... and add a couple of my own.

    How much did your business make last year ???

    How many businesses have you owned ??

    Have you ever been responsible for providing paychecks to your employees??

    Have you ever signed an IRS payroll tax deposit??

    Have you ever signed a business tax return ???

    Never mind, I already know the answer to all of these questions.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I am not for this healthcare at this time since we do not have the money for it IMO.

    With that being said, unlike the Iraq war at least the money will be used for Americans here at home and not overseas.
    We broke it. We cannot leave it in a mess. It is our responsibility as a responsible superpower.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Wrong. You are showing your total lack of understanding how businesses determine the size of their workforce. It is based on the needs of the company to meet the demand for their product to maximize profits. An increase or decrease in taxes will have no impact on hiring or crew size. Demand and productivity determine that. You must have gone to the Glenn Beck School of economics, too.

    State, Federal and local taxes do change from year to year. They are not a constant. They, like the cost of materials and energy fluctuate and are part of the cost of doing business.
    Wow, you are clueless about this.

    No, that is not how people like ME, nor other companies I work with, determine the size of our workforces. Not even remotely close.

    Companies operate based on risk and margin. (When it looked like Obama was going to be elected, everybody started slashing their staff and budgets to the bone; we knew what was coming.)

    When taxes are low, we take risks. The tolerance of risk is based on the overhead we project, which includes taxes and regulations, AS WELL AS THE TARGET CLIENT'S ability to spend, which impacts what sort of margin I can expect to realize.

    When you increase my risk, you impact my expected margin. In order to get that in balance, I have to cut costs, which means I have to reduce staff.

    That, in turn, makes for an economy of fewer people/companies that have disposable income or growth reserves that are necessary to buy my products. It becomes a spiralling self-fulfilling prophecy.

    And now, with Obama's big government and taxes, I will eventually be forced to get rid of the healthcare plan we provide our employees and force them on to a government plan. I'd be better off paying the $3,000 fine per employee, frankly.

    So it's MEDICAID FOR EVERYONE! Yay.

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