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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    It's spread out over several posts over several threads. Here's what I remember.

    Health care is NOT a right. It is an option. In my plan there are "Tiers" of health insurance. NO ONE is required to purchase health care insurance, and there are no fines if you do not.

    Tier 1: Public Option: this option is offered by the government at prices competitive with private insurance, or at low cost for those who have problems with affordability based on eligibility. It would be paid for through an additional tax called the "HC" tax. Folks who do not want this option, can opt out, and will either get a tax rebate for the "HC" amount, or will simply not be required to pay it, which ever is more efficient.

    Tier 2: Private Option: for those who opt out of the public option. Folks can pay for private insurance, or accept their company's insurance options.

    Exemptions: Under no circumstances can any illegal alien receive any kind of health insurance, public, private, or Medicare/Medicaid.

    Cost offset: This is the radical, yet cornestone of my plan. If you opt out of the public option, and do not purchase a private plan, if you get ill, you MUST pay out of pocket. Under NO circumstances will the government subsidize your treatment. NO EXCEPTIONS... catastrophic illness, accident, children... NO EXCEPTIONS. The options will be there and will be affordable. You chose not to take one of them, you lose. No physician or hospital will be under any obligation to treat anyone with no ability to pay. They MAY if they choose, but they can also "opt out".

    Other parts of my plan:

    1) Major Tort Reform.
    2) The ability to purchase health care across state lines to further stimulate competition.
    3) Elimination of insurance company driven utilization review, putting all treatment decisions in the hands of the provider.
    4) No pre-existing condition limitation.
    5) Adult children can remain on parental health insurance until 26.
    6) Centralized, independent organization reviewing/evaluating all health care insurers (including the public option) with the power to fine or even shut down.

    These are broad strokes, of course, but you get the gist. The plan above should both please liberals with a public option and making health care affordable to everyone, and to conservatives with creating a system that requires personal responsibility and competition. I'd be happy to answer questions about this plan, and am open to some REASONABLE additions. If you just want to throw hysterical partisan hackery at me, don't bother responding to this post. Both HarryGurellia and LaMidRighter have seen parts or all of this and, if I recall correctly, liked what they saw.
    What you are proposing was in large part the original plan that couldn't garner enough support from blue dogs or Republicans. I agree. This makes more sense than the current bill, but thanks to the obstructionists that fought against any reform we got the watered down version rather than the original concepts.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    You do know that the tax is on profits don't you? Companies adjust their workforce levels to meet demand to maximize profits. State, local and federal taxes fluctuate constantly. Companies don't set their workforce according to taxes but according to need. You should take an economics course too. You'll never learn economics from Glenn Beck.

    I don't watch beck, I think he's a goofball.



    I'll ask you again:


    You are kidding right?


    Tell me what did your business make last year?


    When taxes go up, and in a down economy, we "maximize" our eficciency, pay less, offer less, hire less.....
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    slip sliding away

    CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - CNN poll: Majority disapprove of Obama for first time - Blogs from CNN.com

    when a president's disapprovals exceed 40% he's got trouble

    cnn actually points it up quite particularly

    americans' feelings towards their presidents are uniquely personal, he becomes very familiar, ie, almost a part of the family

    americans are extremely reluctant to dump on their president personally

    americans LIKE president pieface as a man

    you know how personal popularity is gonna impact perceptions of job performance---if you like someone you are less prone to say unkind things

    americans like this president, he's a nice guy, good

    but the majority of them SAY he's doing a CRAPPY job

    the reality is therefore WORSE than the numbers

    when a president's negatives top 40% he's always in BIG trouble

    for the personal reasons outlined above
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If you don't drive a car you don't need car insurance my left wing friend........In regards to helath insurance you have no choice....You will buy it or pay a fine........try again..........
    I thought, of all people, you would be one to appreciate that. You wanna keep paying for the people leeching on society? Why should my insurance rates and taxes go up because the guy down the street isn't responsible enough to carry his own health insurance?

    Methinks, had the GOP suggested this, you'd be all over it. But I could be wrong.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    You do know that the tax is on profits don't you? Companies adjust their workforce levels to meet demand to maximize profits. State, local and federal taxes fluctuate constantly. Companies don't set their workforce according to taxes but according to need. You should take an economics course too. You'll never learn economics from Glenn Beck.
    You are showing your lack of business knowledge with every post. Taxes are a known quantity, except in the rare case when Congress makes a change. If they changed constantly, the accounting software people would be the ones getting rich. As it is, they supply tax updates for their software yearly, which is sufficient.

    The tax is on taxable income of the business owner's personal tax statement.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    The healthcare bill costs $172 billion/year.
    Iraq costs $105 billion/year.

    The healthcare bill costs more.
    Looks like the healthcare bill costs 64% more than the war in Iraq.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I thought, of all people, you would be one to appreciate that. You wanna keep paying for the people leeching on society? Why should my insurance rates and taxes go up because the guy down the street isn't responsible enough to carry his own health insurance?

    Methinks, had the GOP suggested this, you'd be all over it. But I could be wrong.
    And you actually think they won't under this bill ????

    Who's going to pay for people's health insurance that can't pay for it??

    Who's going to pay for the extra cost of insuring 24 year old "kids"??

    Who's going to pay for the cost of insuring those with pre-existing conditions ???

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Looks like the healthcare bill costs 64% more than the war in Iraq.
    That is the healthcare outlay. Unlike the Iraq war, there is actually an inflow from healthcare. Now you can argue with the CBO estimated bottom line (which is positive), but you have to acknowledge that there will be some inflows (measureable benefits). The number you quoted is the annual investment in healthcare reform, its annual net expense.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    how do you expand m and m by 31 mil while simultaneously cutting funding by half a T?

    why do you talk about such little teeny things, leaving CONSERVATIVES exclusively to discuss the important?

    such as THIRTY ONE MILLION PEOPLE?

    and HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS?

    how can you be so naive as to believe that 2/3 of all this crap can be paid for by recovering monies lost thru waste, fraud and abuse?

    are you being honest with yourself?

    why do you sound pessimistic about this bill?

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    slip sliding away

    CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - CNN poll: Majority disapprove of Obama for first time - Blogs from CNN.com

    when a president's disapprovals exceed 40% he's got trouble

    cnn actually points it up quite particularly

    americans' feelings towards their presidents are uniquely personal, he becomes very familiar, ie, almost a part of the family

    americans are extremely reluctant to dump on their president personally


    americans LIKE president pieface as a man

    you know how personal popularity is gonna impact perceptions of job performance---if you like someone you are less prone to say unkind things

    americans like this president, he's a nice guy, good

    but the majority of them SAY he's doing a CRAPPY job

    the reality is therefore WORSE than the numbers

    when a president's negatives top 40% he's always in BIG trouble

    for the personal reasons outlined above
    How convenient to pick a poll, out of many, and use it to validate your personal ideals. Not very original, but convenient.

    The RCP average (which is the average of the major credible pollsters) put Obama's approval rate at 47.4% and his disapproval rate @ 46.6%. He's still approved my more people than disapproved. But nice try Prof. I gotta give you an E for effort. Now take your seat and write down next week's assignment from the chalkboard.

    RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Obama Job Approval

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