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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    But only if you are well off making big bucks. The rich should be grateful that they are rich enough to help others who are poor.
    You do know that this will affect at least 80% of the small businesses in the country don't you??

    Just because a business has $250,000. in income, doesn't mean the owners take home that much. They may only pay themselves $40,000. a year, yet they will be tagged with this tax.

    Do you think they will be inclined to hire more people after paying this tax??

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    It's spread out over several posts over several threads. Here's what I remember.

    Health care is NOT a right. It is an option. In my plan there are "Tiers" of health insurance. NO ONE is required to purchase health care insurance, and there are no fines if you do not.
    This is very interesting. A few questions

    Tier 1: Public Option: this option is offered by the government at prices competitive with private insurance, or at low cost for those who have problems with affordability based on eligibility. It would be paid for through an additional tax called the "HC" tax. Folks who do not want this option, can opt out, and will either get a tax rebate for the "HC" amount, or will simply not be required to pay it, which ever is more efficient.
    So only those on the public option, priced competitive with private insurance, pay for this public option? So no tax on the general public? Will it generate enough revenue to pay for members' illness. Who covers the gap in poor people having a low cost option here?

    Exemptions: Under no circumstances can any illegal alien receive any kind of health insurance, public, private, or Medicare/Medicaid.

    Cost offset: This is the radical, yet cornestone of my plan. If you opt out of the public option, and do not purchase a private plan, if you get ill, you MUST pay out of pocket. Under NO circumstances will the government subsidize your treatment. NO EXCEPTIONS... catastrophic illness, accident, children... NO EXCEPTIONS. The options will be there and will be affordable. You chose not to take one of them, you lose. No physician or hospital will be under any obligation to treat anyone with no ability to pay. They MAY if they choose, but they can also "opt out".
    I assume this refusal to treat the uninsured includes illegal aliens? What happens if someone shows up at the emergency room with no id and critical injuries?

    4) No pre-existing condition limitation.
    So where do folks with pre-existing conditions get insurance? What will they be required to pay? I have, among other things, Diabetes 2 and Bipolar. My drug costs are $900/month. It seems I may be paying $2000/month or something for my pre-existing conditions. I cannot afford that.

    My plan is similar in some respects. I eliminate Medicare and Medicaid from the federal budget and push it into the states. I establish a local/state co-op to provide insurance and medical care. Everyone pays a community tax to help pay for all the poor, old and sick with pre-existing conditions that would get insurance through the co-op. Otherwise you can opt out.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by MC.no.spin View Post
    The main issue among others I have with this bill is that health care premiums will still be very expensive. Nothing (from what I have gathered) is contained in this bill to:

    a. increase competition amongst insurers (such as allowing out of state insurers) which would naturally lower rates;
    b. remove unnecessary mandates on what I have in my plan (I'd like a simple plan that only cover things like major illness, accidents and disease - no need for coverage on infertility treatments or sex-change operations, etc.);
    c. reform tort law concerning malpractice litigation so that doctor expenses were reduced, thus lowering the cost of my premium;
    d. create incentives for doctors and hospitals to focus on quality care instead of quantity care, such as through fixed fees;
    e. create incentives for the individual to focus on his own quality of health through nutrition, exercise and less trips to the doctor for the consequences of poor health. I'd like to be rewarded for my optimum BMI with a tax break.

    My preference is that this would be a state matter and each state would tailor their own universal health care to it's citizens.
    How can it be a state matter if you have people buying insurance across state lines and thereby nullifying state regulations?

    The Stimulus Bill contained funding for e-health records which should eventually reduce medical error.

    The Mayo Clinic model may become more widespread as insurance companies will no longer compete by avoiding/dropping the sick and instead will compete to deliver a product efficiently.

    Finally, comparative effectiveness should give docs and consumers the info they need to avoid unnecessary testing and surgery.
    Comparative Effectiveness Research Boosted in Health Care Bill - Science Careers Blog

    Section 6301 of the bill establishes an independent, not-for-profit corporation, the Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute (PCORI)

    "to assist patients, clinicians, purchasers, and policy-makers in making informed health decisions by advancing the quality and relevance of evidence concerning the manner in which diseases, disorders, and other health conditions can effectively and appropriately be prevented, diagnosed, treated, monitored, and managed through research and evidence synthesis that considers variations in patient subpopulations, and the dissemination of research findings with respect to the relative health outcomes, clinical effectiveness, and appropriateness of the medical treatments, services, ... "


    PCORI would be funded by a Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Trust Fund, financed by transfers beginning in 2013 from two other federal medical trust funds. The use of a trust fund for financing helps protect the institute from day-to-day political considerations in funding decisions.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You do know that this will affect at least 80% of the small businesses in the country don't you??

    Just because a business has $250,000. in income, doesn't mean the owners take home that much. They may only pay themselves $40,000. a year, yet they will be tagged with this tax.

    Do you think they will be inclined to hire more people after paying this tax??
    They will hire as many people as needed to maximize profits. Economics 101. Taxes have nothing to do with the size of a companies workforce. Demand and productivity do. Just more republican scare tactics.
    "This Administration will constantly strive to promote an ownership society in America. We want more people owning their own home. It is in our national interest that more people own their own home. After all, if you own your own home, you have a vital stake in the future of our country."" GWB

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    They will hire as many people as needed to maximize profits. Economics 101. Taxes have nothing to do with the size of a companies workforce. Demand and productivity do. Just more republican scare tactics.
    It is painfully obvious that you have never run a business. If the business owner has to pay more to the government, he has less to pay for new employees.

    THAT is Economics 101.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    PAYROLL TAXES have nothing to do with the size of workforce

    LOL!

    LOLOLOL!

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    They will hire as many people as needed to maximize profits. Economics 101. Taxes have nothing to do with the size of a companies workforce. Demand and productivity do. Just more republican scare tactics.



    You are kidding right?


    Tell me what did your business make last year?
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    STILL not a single serious response to the foundational question underlying the major PROBLEM with this PIG of a bill...

    how can you EXPAND m and m by 31 mil at the same time you CUT their funding by HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS?

    wellness and prevention?

    LOL!

    waste, fraud and abuse?

    LOLOL!

    e-health?

    LOLOLOL!

    the obamite apologists in this forum follow FAIRY TALES

    pathetic

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    and he couldn't even PASS it!

    he had to DEEM it!

    or, he might as well have

    that's all anyone heard him talking about FOR A WEEK before passage

    including up to the MORNING OF THE VOTE!

    LOL!

    pathetic

    party on, progressives

    and such a GOOD JOB you do of "defending" this PIG of a bill

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    You are kidding right?


    Tell me what did your business make last year?
    You do know that the tax is on profits don't you? Companies adjust their workforce levels to meet demand to maximize profits. State, local and federal taxes fluctuate constantly. Companies don't set their workforce according to taxes but according to need. You should take an economics course too. You'll never learn economics from Glenn Beck.
    "This Administration will constantly strive to promote an ownership society in America. We want more people owning their own home. It is in our national interest that more people own their own home. After all, if you own your own home, you have a vital stake in the future of our country."" GWB

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