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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    there have been numerous examples recited during the congressional debate about persons being denied the healthcare they needed because they were without insurance. that absence of health insurance, that resulting denial of health care, led to their demise
    I willing to bet dollars and donuts that there are more examples that had insurance and used it successfully.

    Why did they redefine insurance, that most people are happy with, to help a minority of the population?
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Don't mean to derail the thread, but I found this:



    LOL.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    You and me Bass,...

    We can make that happen.

    Count me in.

    Like Stinky Reid said,.. "Taxes are voluntary."
    And how exactly does THAT work?
    You dont pay your taxes..... you go to jail.

    Hell I would LOOOOVE to not pay my taxes simply based on principal. But that will either give me a huge bill OR/AND put me in jail. I dont need any heat man.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I linked to that. Yes, it's 50.5 % against. About a 10 % spread.
    yes, you did

    and a minus 10.5 is not much to brag about

    but it's about the best anyone on the pro-obama side has come up with on this endless thread

    LOL!

    and, yes, indeed, the FOUR polls most recently taken, ie, ALL THOSE DONE IN THE LAST WEEK (LOL!), the average for poor president pieface is a whopping MINUS SIXTEEN!

    ouch!

    that's an awful lot of MINUS, don't you think?

    i mean, upon which to base the radical reformation of ONE SIXTH of the united states economy

    indeed, it is more than clear---president pieface and his hyper partisan pals have gone far beyond IGNORING the clearly expressed preferences and priorities of the american people

    they are in open DEFIANCE

    no wonder the prez wants so desperately to REPAINT his policy

    washingtonpost.com

    After the vote, the selling begins - Jonathan Allen and Carol E. Lee and Patrick O'Connor - POLITICO.com

    Obama To Speak About Health Care In Iowa City - wcco.com

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    and never forget that the social security act of 1935 passed the house with 84% gop support and sailed thru joe robinson's senate with 76% of charles mcnary's republicans

    Social Security Online - HISTORY: Vote tallies on 1935 law

    medicare was backed by 43% of the minority in the lower house in 1965 and 51% in the upper

    Social Security Online

    and the civil rights act of 64 actually enjoyed GREATER support proportionally from gop'ers than it received from members of the party of jackson

    indeed, freedom loving affiliates of the party of lincoln had to break a democrat filibuster led by the likes of richard russell and bobby kkk byrd before this fundamental footfall on the road to racial equality could go forward

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964]Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


    never until today has so major and comprehensive a rewrite been CRAMMED thru a LOCKED speaker's CLOSET on purely partisan, extremist and bribe-laden lines as president pieface obama's ridiculously wrong minded and ill formed obamacare

    it won't fly

    you can't do major reform AGAINST the WILL of the american people

    not without paying hell for the ATTEMPT

    party on, progressives

    rapidly over pieface's precipice

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    and he didn't even PASS it!

    he DEEMED it!

    LOL!

    or, he might as well have

    cuz that's what he SAID he was gonna do

    the morning of the vote!

    he was DESPERATE

    even his own caucus hates this bill

    they had to pass it so the presidency wouldn't EXPIRE

    but it's dead now anyway, the presidency of pieface

    what's he gonna do next?

    comprehensive immigration?

    or another reachout to iran?

    maybe a nice terrorist trial downtown?

    LOL!

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Please share, I am looking to root for something that is non-partisan.
    It's spread out over several posts over several threads. Here's what I remember.

    Health care is NOT a right. It is an option. In my plan there are "Tiers" of health insurance. NO ONE is required to purchase health care insurance, and there are no fines if you do not.

    Tier 1: Public Option: this option is offered by the government at prices competitive with private insurance, or at low cost for those who have problems with affordability based on eligibility. It would be paid for through an additional tax called the "HC" tax. Folks who do not want this option, can opt out, and will either get a tax rebate for the "HC" amount, or will simply not be required to pay it, which ever is more efficient.

    Tier 2: Private Option: for those who opt out of the public option. Folks can pay for private insurance, or accept their company's insurance options.

    Exemptions: Under no circumstances can any illegal alien receive any kind of health insurance, public, private, or Medicare/Medicaid.

    Cost offset: This is the radical, yet cornestone of my plan. If you opt out of the public option, and do not purchase a private plan, if you get ill, you MUST pay out of pocket. Under NO circumstances will the government subsidize your treatment. NO EXCEPTIONS... catastrophic illness, accident, children... NO EXCEPTIONS. The options will be there and will be affordable. You chose not to take one of them, you lose. No physician or hospital will be under any obligation to treat anyone with no ability to pay. They MAY if they choose, but they can also "opt out".

    Other parts of my plan:

    1) Major Tort Reform.
    2) The ability to purchase health care across state lines to further stimulate competition.
    3) Elimination of insurance company driven utilization review, putting all treatment decisions in the hands of the provider.
    4) No pre-existing condition limitation.
    5) Adult children can remain on parental health insurance until 26.
    6) Centralized, independent organization reviewing/evaluating all health care insurers (including the public option) with the power to fine or even shut down.

    These are broad strokes, of course, but you get the gist. The plan above should both please liberals with a public option and making health care affordable to everyone, and to conservatives with creating a system that requires personal responsibility and competition. I'd be happy to answer questions about this plan, and am open to some REASONABLE additions. If you just want to throw hysterical partisan hackery at me, don't bother responding to this post. Both HarryGurellia and LaMidRighter have seen parts or all of this and, if I recall correctly, liked what they saw.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    How much do you think an office visit and prescription drugs cost?
    I *know* how much it costs because I actually go to doctor's offices and pay for everything out of pocket. And it's nowhere near $400 for a trip to the doc, strep test, and penicillin (which is the drug of choice for strep) is cheap as ****. So I'd say about $60 - 80 for the office visit (assuming it's not a "first patient visit" which is always more expensive), $70 for the strep test, and maybe $10 for the antibiotics.

    By the way, I don't consider any of this "theft", because health care is my right.
    It's everyone's right.
    No, it's not. And even if it were, you don't have a right to it at my expense. So yeah, it is theft.

    For the past couple of years, I've had insurance, and you know what? I can't afford to go to the doctor with it, because it's a $40 co-pay for an office visit, and then $15 for prescriptions, and I basically never have that much cash on hand to blow.
    That is no one's fault but your own.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    It's spread out over several posts over several threads. Here's what I remember.

    Health care is NOT a right. It is an option. In my plan there are "Tiers" of health insurance. NO ONE is required to purchase health care insurance, and there are no fines if you do not.

    Tier 1: Public Option: this option is offered by the government at prices competitive with private insurance, or at low cost for those who have problems with affordability based on eligibility. It would be paid for through an additional tax called the "HC" tax. Folks who do not want this option, can opt out, and will either get a tax rebate for the "HC" amount, or will simply not be required to pay it, which ever is more efficient.

    Tier 2: Private Option: for those who opt out of the public option. Folks can pay for private insurance, or accept their company's insurance options.

    Exemptions: Under no circumstances can any illegal alien receive any kind of health insurance, public, private, or Medicare/Medicaid.

    Cost offset: This is the radical, yet cornestone of my plan. If you opt out of the public option, and do not purchase a private plan, if you get ill, you MUST pay out of pocket. Under NO circumstances will the government subsidize your treatment. NO EXCEPTIONS... catastrophic illness, accident, children... NO EXCEPTIONS. The options will be there and will be affordable. You chose not to take one of them, you lose. No physician or hospital will be under any obligation to treat anyone with no ability to pay. They MAY if they choose, but they can also "opt out".

    Other parts of my plan:

    1) Major Tort Reform.
    2) The ability to purchase health care across state lines to further stimulate competition.
    3) Elimination of insurance company driven utilization review, putting all treatment decisions in the hands of the provider.
    4) No pre-existing condition limitation.
    5) Adult children can remain on parental health insurance until 26.
    6) Centralized, independent organization reviewing/evaluating all health care insurers (including the public option) with the power to fine or even shut down.

    These are broad strokes, of course, but you get the gist. The plan above should both please liberals with a public option and making health care affordable to everyone, and to conservatives with creating a system that requires personal responsibility and competition. I'd be happy to answer questions about this plan, and am open to some REASONABLE additions. If you just want to throw hysterical partisan hackery at me, don't bother responding to this post. Both HarryGurellia and LaMidRighter have seen parts or all of this and, if I recall correctly, liked what they saw.
    Actually that seems pretty reasonable to me. If it was structured right, you could roll medicare and medicaid into it tier 1 pretty easily.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Actually that seems pretty reasonable to me. If it was structured right, you could roll medicare and medicaid into it tier 1 pretty easily.
    I didn't include that, but, ultimately, the plan would be to eliminate both Medicare and Medicaid and create "levels" in the "Tier 1" Public option. Wrap it all together to make it more efficient and under all the same clauses. Close as many loopholes as you can.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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